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root i'm j i'm just saying i'm just

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saying i'm looking forward to this film

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well uh google

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back in the news google appears to have

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automatically installed a covid 19

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exposure notification app that's right

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they did this in the state of

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right and uh this is the deal man

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uh people woke up to this thing

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being in their system and on their

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android phones

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and uh uh

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how do i say this the app is called well

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google said today they're like hey hey

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it doesn't matter man the system only

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works if the users turn it on

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well you know what you don't

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automatically install something like

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this in somebody's phone

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the app is called mass notify it was

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launched on june 15th

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many androids users said that it was

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silently installed on their phones

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without any notifications

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google said in a statement today that

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the feature was automatically

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distributed but users still have to

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actively

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notifications this is creepy beyond

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words

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now massachusetts is the 29th state to

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debut an app using the google and apple

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exposure notification tool

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around 500 000 residents signed up

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in the first two days after its release

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and i'm just saying man you know what

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that kind of stuff

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to me just doesn't matter

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doesn't matter you need a notification

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that something like that was installed

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on your phone

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that's it that's it you know do you

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part of this i understand

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some people out there want to be

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notified if somebody around them is in

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the system

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and it is now you know on the gps

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and located on the phone the next thing

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you know somebody next to you is got

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covid and you're looking at man do you

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man but some people are going to want to

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do that

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oh man i get it i get it i do

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but uh google really needed to notify

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everybody i'm a little bit outraged by

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all of this all right let's get back to

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the breaking news

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and uh i think we're up and live by the

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way all the video

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yeah okay drew says we're good

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all right all right ah

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where am i at hundreds of people

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attended the summer solstice in

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stonehenge

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despite official advice asking them not

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to travel to the site and lined with

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coveted restrictions

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police showed up that's crazy you see

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the picture you see the video

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as a result english heritage pulled a

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feed of the sunrise at stonehenge and

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did that earlier today people were seen

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climbing

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over a low fence to access the stones

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police chasing them wiltshire police

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said the event was peaceful but added

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that a number of people at nearby

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avebury had caused some issues

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video from the scene showed about 100

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people inside the stone circle

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it wasn't uh it wasn't like years past

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where you've got

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five ten thousand people go no it wasn't

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that but there you go 100 people broke

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down the fences

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and went in and shot a bunch of selfies

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now i just talked about chris pratt

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and the tomorrow war well let's get the

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show cracking because happy birthday to

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today chris pratt

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chris pratt today is 42 years old

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the killer's front man brandon flowers

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71. guitarist nils lofgren

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today is 70 and kip

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winger is 60.

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our dead guy's birthday today is victor

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soy

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1962 to 1990 died at the age of 28.

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victor was a soviet and russian singer

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and songwriter

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who co-founded kino one of the most

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popular and musically influential bands

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in the history

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of russian music throughout his career

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victor contributed a plethora of musical

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including 10 albums in 1990 after their

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high profile concert at the

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luzhniki stadium he briefly relocated to

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latvia with band mate yuri kasparian

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to work on the band's next album two

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after the concert soy was in a car

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collision on

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august 15 1990 when he fell asleep while

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driving on the freeway in lafayette he

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was dead

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at the scene wow happy birthday victor

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on this day in history otd 1990.

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earthquake devastates iran and kills an

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estimated 50

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000 people and injures another 135

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000. the 7.7 magnitude tremor

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wreaked havoc on the simply constructed

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houses

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in the area on this day in 1990 fader

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all right here you go

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this is crazy in 1957

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a woman her name is alice roth

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was struck by consecutive foul balls

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by philly star richie ashburn

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who hit her twice in the same at

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bat the first one broke her nose

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and the second one broke her leg while

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you gotta love the universe and that is

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your fader fact tonight

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right here cheryl costa uh two

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two great books out we're gonna be

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talking about that uh one

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is called the ufo beat which covers

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her journalism um over the last nine ten

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we're going to do all of that and we're

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also going to talk about

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her book which is the ufo sightings desk

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reference and uh from 2001 to 2020

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it's pretty incredible we're going to be

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talking about all of that tonight

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tomorrow night right here ronnie dawson

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i remember the texas oil field incident

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uh when that story broke and i covered

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it and i looked at the videos

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and the entire story well i got to hang

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uh last week with ronnie dawson

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and i got to hear the story firsthand

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it's incredible we're going to do all of

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that tomorrow night with ronnie

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dawson here for the first time wednesday

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night richard dolan joins us we're going

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of panicked for

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three three days until the uaptf report

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well all of the latest

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not be used

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the investigations were all dated

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after 2004.

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number five the report doesn't rule out

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foreign adversaries or state actors

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that's right and number six media

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outlets reported that there were 120

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cases investigated in the report

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well current numbers as reported to me

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are said to be significantly less than

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120.

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now on the surface

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all of this means virtually nothing

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we have to get and read the report after

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its release okay that's what we got to

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do because

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everything that has been said until it's

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released

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all of this means nothing don't want to

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get people upset don't want to get

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people excited

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reports got a release we the public

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are or should have access to the

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non-classified section because

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that is what exactly was requested in

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the funding bill back in 2020

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right this shall be for the public

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you know that's what was in uh the bill

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in the funding that's right

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unless the classified

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section gets leaked we'll never know

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what is in that part of the report

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and what the senate that dia deems safe

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for public consumption is going to be

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very interesting for us to find out

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right what is it that we can handle you

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know this is the public saying we don't

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want to upset every

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you know this is this is what we're

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going to release to the public

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so we know we've got 78 pages classified

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a couple of pages for the public like an

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afterthought but

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we're going to find out but if the

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report

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and some of it ain't russia or china

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what's left you got it

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the little green men right for sure

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that's that's that's what's left

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or maybe they're going to imply that

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it's a civilization

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that we don't know about that's living

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right here on earth you know hiding in

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plain sight

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there could be that but there will be

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people

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out there who will be happy with this

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conclusion right

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no mention of little green men but what

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do they really mean

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so there's going to be people happy with

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that leaving things wide open for debate

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and conversation in the years ahead

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and i i get it i fully understand that

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and i anticipate that happening

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then there will be those who are

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expecting full disclosure this week

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and the report short of we are not alone

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in the universe

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it's going to make some people very very

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unhappy

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you know what

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none of this is what is most important

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at least to me the most important part

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of

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month from now

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right how will the world react

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and continue to react

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are we going to keep the pressure on is

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this just a way to silence the ufo

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community

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you know you know to get us to shut up

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for a while

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the ufo community itself will be able to

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hand

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whatever comes it it doesn't matter

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we've been at it for decades

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and we are in it for the long haul we

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know this

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there are new members to the phenomena

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who actually think that the ufo uap

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subject

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is weeks old this is brand new stuff

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right and they are going to get

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like as in right now and you have to ask

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yourself

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are they are they ready to be totally

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bummed out and let down right

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will they have the energy to stick

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around for the good fight for another 10

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or 50 years

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for the ufo veteran researchers that

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have been you know at it for decades

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just a tiny little crack in the door is

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all we need

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right enough light enough light

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let in so we can finally start to move

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the ball forward and downfield

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yes it'll be like christmas eve when you

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peek down the stairs and you see those

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presents under the tree

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and you wonder how they got there right

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seriously this week may

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truly be christmas in june

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and i look forward to it this is fade to

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black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight cheryl

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costa

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i am so excited to finally have cheryl

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on the show with us

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so much to discuss i was talking to

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cheryl earlier

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and i said you know we're going to run

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out of time she goes

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we are that's right cheryl costa is with

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us on the game changer network

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight

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cheryl costa is with us tomorrow night

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ronnie dawson wednesday night richard

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dolan thursday night is fader night with

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open lines all night long great week

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ahead

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tonight it's all about cheryl she joins

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us for the first time and we're going to

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discuss her recently published

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book called the ufo beat the new york

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skies column from july 2013 to june

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uh 2019 and the ufo sightings

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desk reference united states of america

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2001 to 2020

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which includes over 120 000

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sightings now it's about how she's got

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it listed yeah it's the hot spot

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but it's everything according to the

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data inciting reports

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down to the county level it's an amazing

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read we're going to go pretty deep

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into this tonight she is a native and

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resident of upstate

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new york who saw her first ufo at age

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12.

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we'll be talking about that too as well

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tonight military veteran

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she's a retired information security

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professional

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from the aerospace industry and she's

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been a speaker at the international ufo

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congress in the mufon symposium

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from 2013 to 2019 she wrote the ufo

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column

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new york skies for the syracuse new

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times and also holds a bachelor of arts

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degree from the state university of new

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york at empire state college

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in entertainment writing and i would

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like to welcome

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the first time to fade to black i'm

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excited cheryl costa

568
00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:00,400
cheryl what are you doing hi jimmy how

569
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:00,960
you doing

570
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,919
i am fantastic i'm even better now that

571
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:05,600
finally we've got you on the show

572
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,480
but you get the first time guest

573
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:09,760
disclaimer

574
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,960
you ready yeah okay

575
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,559
cheryl it's just you and i sitting on my

576
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,640
couch having a conversation as friends

577
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:18,240
and where the conversation starts it

578
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,640
starts

579
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,559
where it ends it ends but we're gonna

580
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,159
end his friends there you go

581
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,440
see pretty simple you ready okay

582
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:28,000
i don't even know what see the thing is

583
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,720
um

584
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,799
i have followed you over the years

585
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:32,480
there's that part

586
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,919
but uh we have so many mutual friends uh

587
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,200
between us

588
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,880
and i can't tell you how many times your

589
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,520
name is jimmy man if you talk to cheryl

590
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,120
jimmy have you got any you need to talk

591
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,120
to cheryl right

592
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,159
you know we got to get this done and uh

593
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,440
uh finally you are here but

594
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,279
um there are so many things that we need

595
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,960
to talk about tonight and i'm being very

596
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:56,559
serious about this i know that we're

597
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:57,919
going to run out of time

598
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:00,960
there's too much to do but i got to talk

599
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,080
about you as a 12 year old

600
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:06,159
that's that's it can we start there what

601
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:07,200
happened

602
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,799
sure late august afternoon about three

603
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,000
weeks before

604
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,559
school started again we were visiting an

605
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,480
uncle up in farm country

606
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,799
it was a really nice season so the gran

607
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,360
the corn was higher than the car

608
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,120
and we were coming down off the hill

609
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,200
where the uncle's farm is

610
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,679
and uh my mother had my father pulled

611
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,360
the car off the dirt road a little bit

612
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,440
and she pointed out into the western sky

613
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,600
it's about four o'clock in the afternoon

614
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:36,000
clear blue sky not a cloud anywhere and

615
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:37,200
out parked out there

616
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,880
like a rock was a sphere

617
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,960
and it was bright and it was gleaming

618
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,080
and my mother

619
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,000
said you know might be something nasa's

620
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,000
doing nasa was only like five or six

621
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,760
years old at that point

622
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,279
might be the air force it might be a

623
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,200
weather balloon balloon and then she

624
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,799
said you know it might be people from

625
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,320
another world

626
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,640
and of course that fascinated me as a 12

627
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,760
year old

628
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,000
and so we talked about it for a few

629
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,840
minutes and we got back on the road

630
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,440
went down to the bottom of the hill

631
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,120
turned left to head back to

632
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:09,679
my hometown and i got up in the window

633
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,159
of that

634
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,279
big old chevy impala right right there

635
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,400
you know

636
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,400
who are you guys who are you guys you

637
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:17,919
know and when that thing

638
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,200
decided to leave it was an

639
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,240
effect i didn't see again until like the

640
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,720
early 90s with some of the star trek

641
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,640
movies that kind of a

642
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:31,120
boom off into a ball a ball of light

643
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:32,240
kind of thing

644
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:35,919
and it changes you you know and uh

645
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,880
you know teenagers you know um mom and

646
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,320
dad are stupid

647
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,840
okay but mom and i actually

648
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,919
we might we disagree on a lot of things

649
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:48,080
even to this day

650
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,440
but we can still have a civil

651
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,679
informed conversation about ufos all

652
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,279
through high school i'd get books at a

653
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,679
library she'd get books at the library

654
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,279
we'd read them share them with each

655
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,039
other when bondanigans

656
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,720
chariots of the gods came out she

657
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,559
dog-eared on the top of the book i

658
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:06,080
dog-eared on the bottom of it

659
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:09,200
the book was destroyed from all that and

660
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,000
um

661
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,679
and that was it that was that was the

662
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,919
first thing and i didn't see another

663
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:15,760
thing like that until about six years

664
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,080
later

665
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,399
i was in the air force right i was in i

666
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:20,960
was in cameron bay vietnam

667
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,840
and it was about 11 30 on christmas eve

668
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,960
1971

669
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,279
i was walking down to the base chapel

670
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,960
with a a military friend of mine and um

671
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,840
it was one we were out on a sand bar

672
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:36,320
cameron bay vietnam was out on a sandbar

673
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,039
down

674
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,360
middle part of the country so we we

675
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:41,520
didn't have a lot of light pollution out

676
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,559
there

677
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:45,039
and uh as we were walking sort of

678
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:46,320
westward towards the uh

679
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,679
base chapel gazillion stars in the sky

680
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,960
kind of night

681
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,360
and we see this thing streaking across

682
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,039
the sky

683
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:57,440
and our both of our impressions was a

684
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,480
jet you know

685
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,480
right right it's vietnam there's a war

686
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,760
it could be anything right

687
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,799
yeah and it stops

688
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:07,200
and my friend looks at it says jets

689
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,159
don't stop

690
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,320
and helicopters don't fly that fast and

691
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,360
i said yeah i know

692
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,399
if that's what i think it is uh it's

693
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,080
gonna start dancing around like a fairy

694
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:17,679
in darndavus that didn't start

695
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,480
dancing or like a fairy then gone

696
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,919
neither one of us had our minds on

697
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:23,440
midnight mass when they got to the gym

698
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,000
oh

699
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:26,559
no midnight mass is an afterthought you

700
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,279
know

701
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:29,760
the thing is you mentioned the impala

702
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:30,480
and

703
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:33,840
how cool is it that uh

704
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,120
back then no seat belts no nothing

705
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,200
and so you're able to spin around and

706
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:41,279
and and check it out

707
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:44,559
uh today the kids are denied

708
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,600
right they're denied the ability

709
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,200
to get the follow-up because if you

710
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,640
weren't able to do that you wouldn't

711
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:52,559
have seen it shoot away

712
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,919
and um it just thank goodness for family

713
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,919
trips in the car without seat belts i'm

714
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,120
just saying

715
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:01,120
yeah yeah you know my brother and sister

716
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,480
were toddlers you know but

717
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,320
also let's keep the safety factor had

718
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,840
dad had to stop they would have been

719
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:06,799
ejected

720
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,000
you know but uh

721
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,520
yeah yeah yeah no i know i know uh my uh

722
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,080
my brother and i a couple of weeks ago i

723
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,919
was back in indianapolis and we shared

724
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,880
this story

725
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,960
i'm just gonna make this really brief my

726
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,880
dad who just recently passed away he's

727
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,960
driving i'm in the passenger seat but my

728
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:26,640
little brother david

729
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:29,679
at that time i'm like 16 but david's

730
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:30,080
like

731
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,080
two right two maybe three years old

732
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,120
standing on the armrest that folds down

733
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,000
right standing just standing just

734
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,760
standing in the car

735
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,799
and and we we told the story about that

736
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,240
something happened but that's neither

737
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:48,000
here nor there but i think about it now

738
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,240
if anything he's he's ejected

739
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:54,720
he's out the front window you know and

740
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:55,279
uh

741
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,679
have changed

742
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,840
now can i give you a little point about

743
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,840
those books that i read with my mother

744
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,480
yes

745
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,559
they were guys like frank edwards and

746
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,320
those kinds of guys okay

747
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,519
and um those books

748
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,679
ended up being something that helped me

749
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,720
get that job

750
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:17,679
at uh the syracuse new times later

751
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,240
because

752
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,480
i'd gotten thrown out of editor after

753
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,720
editor after editor's office pitching

754
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:24,000
the idea of a

755
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,870
larry dietrich the editor-in-chief of

756
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,279
the search new times at that time

757
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,960
invited me up we had a cup of coffee

758
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:37,120
together he didn't want to even see my

759
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,320
five slides yet

760
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,200
okay he just said let's talk and as it

761
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,039
turns out we're about the same age he

762
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,840
had had an event in his teenage years

763
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,279
and he had

764
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,200
read pretty much the same books we sat

765
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:51,039
there bouncing these books off of each

766
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:52,000
other you know

767
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,519
so he gets done with the whole talk

768
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:55,120
after 20 minutes and said i'm

769
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,320
sympathetic

770
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,960
he says i can't do it but you can i'll

771
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,279
try you out for a month

772
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,480
okay now that that never happens in in

773
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,799
in the news world when it comes to ufos

774
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:07,919
it just never does

775
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:11,039
you you were pretty lucky i was and what

776
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,240
was funny was he said

777
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,000
it you know it was like the princess

778
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,919
bride and the dread pirate roberts you

779
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,880
know i'll most likely

780
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,720
kill you in the morning i'll try you out

781
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,240
for a month yes yes

782
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,240
i get this phone call we need to talk

783
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,600
get over here cheryl i thought

784
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,240
that's it it's over with you know i get

785
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,840
i'm a little late to the meeting i come

786
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,519
walking in the other columnists are

787
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,279
sitting around this board table i walk

788
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,720
in he's talking to him

789
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,640
he stops he points at me and says

790
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,720
there's our rock star

791
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,000
and look at him what are you talking

792
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,679
about he says you're playing you've been

793
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:41,279
here four weeks you're pulling more page

794
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,000
views and all

795
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,120
the columnists combined now you know and

796
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,120
that's something that i think

797
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,159
is is very important that

798
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,600
today we can um discuss

799
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,519
you know the success of ancient aliens

800
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,360
or all of the ufo programming that's

801
00:33:03,269 --> 00:32:59,440
going on or the books and

802
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,279
and and the but uh the media was late to

803
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:04,720
the party

804
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:08,000
they really were they all the the public

805
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,320
has

806
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,799
always been fascinated with this the

807
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,080
public has always

808
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,120
wanted to know but there was a fear in

809
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,320
in media about this subject and

810
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,519
and i could i confronted it head on and

811
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,559
and i heard these uh different you know

812
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:25,760
news directors and people

813
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:28,640
you know no not ufos you know you can do

814
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,440
anything but

815
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:32,799
that they relate to the party yeah

816
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,080
uh i talked to other editors about this

817
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,960
and they told me uh uh no we'll lose our

818
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,120
credibility with our readership you know

819
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,679
and one thing it was like it was a

820
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,000
broken record i heard that a lot

821
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,919
uh a couple of them just said you know

822
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,000
they can't get here from there you know

823
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:52,640
they can't possibly be here you know and

824
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,360
um

825
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,200
so they weren't they weren't interested

826
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,880
and like i said i got escorted at the

827
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,360
door

828
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,480
know

829
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,600
after i gave my pitches and uh

830
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,200
i think there was some jealousy after

831
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,519
that because right off the bat

832
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,760
we started drawing uh some really good

833
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:11,280
pageviews and we were doing it on the

834
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,040
online edition which

835
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:15,119
the new times was trying to develop at

836
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,079
that time

837
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,280
and it was a it was a pageview magnet

838
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,440
and six months later the digital letter

839
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:23,280
who's who i reported to

840
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,200
uh called me up and said you're pulling

841
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,800
a national audience

842
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,440
and at the christmas party uh him and

843
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,800
the publisher stood up there

844
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,879
and uh toasted me and said you know

845
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,440
she's pulling an international audience

846
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,679
in a little dinky weekly newspaper in

847
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,720
upstate new york

848
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,280
right right no i i've been happy i've

849
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,399
been reading you for

850
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:45,440
a very very long time and so the

851
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,240
question

852
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,440
i have for you right now it's it's rock

853
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:50,399
and roll

854
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,919
it's crazy town did you see this coming

855
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:54,560
did you

856
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,839
see the environment that we are in now

857
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,920
in your wildest dreams did you think we

858
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:01,520
would be here today

859
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,040
yeah i did um for two reasons i i

860
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,359
uh had a lot of run around time on you

861
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,119
know phones and at conferences with

862
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,560
steve bassett

863
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:13,119
and he he predicted we were going to be

864
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,320
here but he thought it was going to

865
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,320
happen a few years ago but we got to

866
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:18,480
exactly where he said we would be

867
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,560
in fact in early 2020

868
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,320
him and i had a a couple of

869
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,160
conversations on the phone and discuss

870
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:27,520
where this would be

871
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,960
and we're pretty much on track the only

872
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,720
complicated part

873
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,160
is if we do get congressional hearings

874
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:37,680
out of all this

875
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,880
okay if if that happens right it's

876
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,760
complicated

877
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,440
are we going to get a parade of

878
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:45,359
swaggering pilots

879
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,960
and retired um defense intelligence

880
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,800
agency spooks

881
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,079
okay there's going to be all

882
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,839
intelligence guys talking about their

883
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:54,880
120

884
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,560
sightings in 20 years you know

885
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,560
because a couple of people said if they

886
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,920
really dig deeper

887
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,520
and i already know the congressional

888
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:05,599
information office's office

889
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,800
has our book of statistics i know for a

890
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,400
fact they have it

891
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:13,040
and uh if that's been spread around at

892
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,680
all

893
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:15,680
linda and i have done the only

894
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:18,640
statistical work since project blue book

895
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,839
in 50 years now who uh uh

896
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,760
uh i'm gonna say on this for a second

897
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:25,760
but you just mentioned your sister

898
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,200
who did more wife and who who did the

899
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,200
most work

900
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:33,119
uh in the first book she was the lead

901
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,240
writer right

902
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:36,640
okay i did the statistics and analysis

903
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,280
and the

904
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,640
mechanical work of working with

905
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:40,000
spreadsheets and all that and the

906
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,800
database

907
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,560
right but she was the lead writer with

908
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:44,640
the first book in 2017.

909
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,680
uh her idea was let's do

910
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,560
21st century numbers right because she

911
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,240
looks pretty intense

912
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,880
oh she intense she is intense she looks

913
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,000
pretty intense

914
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:58,079
with her yeah yeah yeah yeah and so i

915
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:59,119
just kind of

916
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,400
you know i'm just saying that in the

917
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,400
kindest way

918
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,040
but uh uh she looks like she gets the

919
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,800
work done

920
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,640
right there are there are people that

921
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,960
say that she is caustic but she gets to

922
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,760
the point

923
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,520
she really hey she used to be the head

924
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,880
librarian at the environmental

925
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,240
protection agency's

926
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,960
toxicology library the woman knows more

927
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:19,760
about

928
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,640
poisons and you can shake a stick at so

929
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,560
does that mean you have to behave

930
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:26,960
i'm just saying i'm just saying do you

931
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,150
yeah we have a collection of books on

932
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,400
organic poisons that would choke a horse

933
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,560
yeah you know it's pretty crazy she's

934
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,000
not in that field now

935
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,240
but when it came to doing this second

936
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,359
book

937
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,599
i had run with the data i had run with

938
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,000
the statistics i had done this very deep

939
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,520
analysis

940
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:49,200
i can't tell you what i did in the navy

941
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:50,800
but i applied basically

942
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:54,400
old school uh intelligence analysis

943
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:58,640
to with modern tools so

944
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:03,200
this the first book took us 18 months

945
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,480
the second book took me 750 hours but

946
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,160
there was a lot of you know i've been

947
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:10,160
collecting data for a couple of years i

948
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,599
had all the data in there

949
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,440
it was a matter of finally sitting down

950
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:15,680
and crunching it and generating all the

951
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:16,320
charts

952
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,560
book that was unlike anything anyone's

953
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,760
ever seen you know with

954
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:24,560
uh charting the years months and hours

955
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:24,880
of

956
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:28,880
i've seen that

957
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:32,000
can i ask you um

958
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,920
there do you feel do you feel that you

959
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,040
probably know

960
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,560
as much about sightings not famous cases

961
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,920
we're not you know that's not what this

962
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,200
book is about

963
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,160
but do you think you know as much about

964
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,640
sightings as anybody on planet earth

965
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,960
because when i look at your data and how

966
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,079
you extrapolated it what you eliminated

967
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,760
how these charts and graphs are put

968
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,680
together i have to think

969
00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:59,760
that there may not be anybody out there

970
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,640
that's got what you have in your brain

971
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,240
i was telling your reporter a couple

972
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,280
weeks ago i said i'm a ufo statistician

973
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:09,280
first thing he says there's no such

974
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,480
thing

975
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,400
you know and i said well there's two in

976
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:14,000
the united states and i'm married to the

977
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,560
other one

978
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,800
right right because i'm going through

979
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,839
this data and

980
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:20,320
uh i want the audience to know so you

981
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,040
know i

982
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,720
i call up cheryl and we start discussing

983
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:26,880
this data and listening

984
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,839
to how you're able to pull this out it

985
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,119
says to me

986
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,480
that you've been looking at these

987
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,800
numbers and putting all of this together

988
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,800
for a very long time

989
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,560
you have it right there in your frontal

990
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,079
lobe

991
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,320
yeah that's exactly it um there were

992
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,839
many days

993
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,079
after the first book came out in 2017

994
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,760
there were many days in 2018 and 19.

995
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:52,000
well remember back in 2019 everybody

996
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,880
said oh the

997
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,800
the sighting numbers are in the toilet

998
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,000
oh my god space

999
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,400
force chased them away you know and i

1000
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,920
kept trying to tell everybody they'll be

1001
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,160
back next in a year or so because this

1002
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:04,079
is a natural six to eight year cycle

1003
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,200
trust me they'll be back

1004
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:07,119
can we discuss that for a second let me

1005
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,319
look at the clock

1006
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:11,440
let's stay right there that six

1007
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:15,119
to eight year cycle um i was not aware

1008
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,079
of

1009
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,119
and now once you compile the data

1010
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,280
and you step back right and you look at

1011
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:23,119
this you can't deny these kinds of

1012
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,240
numbers

1013
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,960
what but what conclusions can you come

1014
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,079
to to see these

1015
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:31,520
dips right uh well it's also it's

1016
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,400
mountains too

1017
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:35,119
right this cycle goes both ways but when

1018
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:35,520
you

1019
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,640
think is is ultimately happening

1020
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,520
i i don't know i don't know if it's hey

1021
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,359
they used to have a cycle

1022
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,079
before we had internet and before we had

1023
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,079
cds and dvds

1024
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,319
they used to bring out disney movies

1025
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,000
every seven years so like there's this

1026
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,839
new audience every second

1027
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,480
seven years or something like that um i

1028
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,680
i don't know

1029
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,200
i know when we came up with the first

1030
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:04,400
book because we had only 2001 to 2015

1031
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,040
data

1032
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,960
i had everybody calling me up saying why

1033
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,720
didn't you go back 40 years

1034
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:12,000
but i knew 40 years worth of data wasn't

1035
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,200
going to be very much

1036
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:15,520
because i had come to understand

1037
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:16,319
something

1038
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:20,400
that how i'm gonna say this i'm sorry

1039
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:21,440
it's late night

1040
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,640
um for the first five years of the 2000s

1041
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,359
2001 through about 2006

1042
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,480
there's a gradual upgrade of going a

1043
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,760
slope going up

1044
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:34,240
well the deal is is that was when i'm a

1045
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,200
retired i.t

1046
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,119
person right okay that is when

1047
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,520
deployment of broadband started really

1048
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,359
happening in the major cities and in

1049
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:43,040
their suburbs

1050
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,200
and broadband access has been to ufo

1051
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:49,839
reporting like the printing press has

1052
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,319
been

1053
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,079
for just the dissemination of

1054
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:54,480
information in our culture

1055
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:58,000
prior to 2001 the sighting numbers were

1056
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,119
only about

1057
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,400
uh 500 500 a year or less

1058
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:05,760
okay for that 40 years for from 1962 to

1059
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:08,200
2000 we had 13

1060
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:12,960
150 sightings i had that many in 2012.

1061
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,079
i i want uh the audience now i've got

1062
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:18,720
uh so many different platforms in front

1063
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:21,359
of me but i want everybody to stop

1064
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,720
and think about where you're located

1065
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,319
you know where you live if you would

1066
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,920
like to post um

1067
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,240
up in twitter or youtube or facebook or

1068
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,839
spreaker wherever you're chatting right

1069
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,640
now

1070
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,800
post the city that you're in and maybe

1071
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:36,480
even the county

1072
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,720
because and the state part of this

1073
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:43,359
is intriguing but when you break this

1074
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,000
down

1075
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:46,319
into the data that was some of the data

1076
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:47,440
that we're gonna uh

1077
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,800
start speaking about your county may be

1078
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,000
mentioned

1079
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,000
and and maybe even the city that you

1080
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,839
live in but i think

1081
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,119
i think that is one of the most

1082
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,359
interesting parts about the data

1083
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,440
when you break this down but if we back

1084
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:03,280
up 40 years ago

1085
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,720
apro wasn't doing counties right

1086
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,520
no they were right right mufon probably

1087
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,800
wasn't doing counties

1088
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,960
uh back in the early days for sure

1089
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,160
wasn't right right

1090
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,440
and so how do you how do you was that

1091
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,280
part of the determination with some of

1092
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,560
this data that

1093
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,119
you couldn't get as explicit and precise

1094
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:25,119
as you needed to going back to the 50s

1095
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,720
and 60s

1096
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,520
i was writing yeah exactly that i was

1097
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,839
writing my newspaper column and

1098
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,760
a weekly newspaper column sounds like a

1099
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,000
cool gig but it can be a grind think of

1100
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,680
how much sweating you did just before

1101
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,280
you did a term paper or something like

1102
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,079
this this was a term paper every week

1103
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,480
and and the problem was was i i had to

1104
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,839
have something to write about new york

1105
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,200
state was my beat

1106
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:49,599
so i started digging into where they

1107
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,800
were in certain

1108
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,720
certain cities in the state and figure

1109
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,000
out what counties those were

1110
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,520
in things like this and as we started

1111
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,040
adding that stuff up we started

1112
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,480
realizing that there were counting

1113
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,359
patterns

1114
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,280
i showed some of this stuff to some

1115
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,520
retired former state direct mufon

1116
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,960
state directors and things and they were

1117
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,720
looking at my charts and saying

1118
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,319
these were preliminary charts before we

1119
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,160
ever thought of writing a book it said

1120
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,839
we didn't know there was a cluster there

1121
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,319
either

1122
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,400
who thought you know everybody thought

1123
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,400
the hot spots in new york state were

1124
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:21,200
the niagara frontier erie county area

1125
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,079
and

1126
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,800
the hudson valley in fact if you believe

1127
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,440
the pr

1128
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,280
everybody will tell you pine bush is the

1129
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,839
ground zero for ufos in new york state

1130
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:32,079
and the the truth is it's suffolk county

1131
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,119
long island

1132
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,119
and who would have guessed that right

1133
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,480
right who knew

1134
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:39,280
you know it's but it's a highly rural

1135
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,240
area

1136
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:42,720
and and and it's touched by a major body

1137
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,359
of water

1138
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,920
and that's a major that's a driver issue

1139
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,480
now

1140
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:50,000
um the other part of for me

1141
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,880
as uh a you you know a ufo beat right

1142
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,880
but but as a writer of that were you

1143
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,119
also seeing trends were you getting

1144
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,839
contacted from people around new york

1145
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,599
and and you're seeing trends that

1146
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:05,520
weren't necessarily in the media

1147
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,560
or what mufon was reporting for instance

1148
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,880
oh yeah we saw stuff that nobody else

1149
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,040
was seeing and every time we reported we

1150
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,400
had all these people

1151
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,720
sending his mail oh no you girls can't

1152
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:18,319
be right on that oh yeah that's got to

1153
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,200
be all wrong

1154
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,119
this is what's really happening you dumb

1155
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,800
little bunny you know we got a lot of

1156
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:23,520
that

1157
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:30,240
two women put this book together and

1158
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,280
it's dedicated

1159
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,480
to the the woman who's founded apro

1160
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,800
now let me uh yes i don't mean to be a

1161
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,000
feminist on this but

1162
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,680
you know that's the deal we had a lot of

1163
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,119
people telling us you know

1164
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,040
oh no you you aren't doing case studies

1165
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,440
you aren't doing real ufo science

1166
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,200
they're studying with case studies which

1167
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,280
is perfectly valid stuff

1168
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,920
they are studying the individual ant we

1169
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,720
decided to study the anthill

1170
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,599
can we uh i've got three minutes i'm

1171
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,800
going to give you a little bit of a

1172
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,680
platform because i have discussed this

1173
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:04,400
so many times on the show but it may not

1174
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,440
be what you

1175
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,680
you are going to expect cheryl but let

1176
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,240
me say this a lot of people talk about

1177
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:13,520
um that the the ufology and the

1178
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,520
conferences you know it's the old boys

1179
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:16,560
club

1180
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,760
and and i disagree with that and i and

1181
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:21,200
i'll tell you i just came off of a

1182
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,400
conference in laughlin

1183
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,800
that was attended 50 50 right down the

1184
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,680
middle

1185
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,319
um but i go through i'll go through

1186
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:29,839
weeks and months on this show

1187
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:33,280
with having nothing but uh women on this

1188
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,240
show

1189
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:37,119
and and i don't i think some of the best

1190
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:37,839
research

1191
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:41,599
comes from women you know and and

1192
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,960
and now am i wrong in saying that

1193
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,720
i think that women are equally as

1194
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,880
represented in this

1195
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,440
and i i just want your take because i

1196
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,119
get arguments about this all the time

1197
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,040
that i'm dead wrong

1198
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,079
um okay

1199
00:47:02,309 --> 00:46:59,760
you've got on the board of mufon you've

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00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,319
got a two very very talented women

1201
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,319
and don't ask me to bring your names up

1202
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:05,839
doesn't matter i'm drawing a blank

1203
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,359
sure um and a lot of the state directors

1204
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:11,200
and chief investigators in a lot of the

1205
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,000
states

1206
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:15,839
are women for mufon okay

1207
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,319
but for a long time when we first came

1208
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,520
out with our data book

1209
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:21,839
everybody told us we were wrong with our

1210
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,640
approach and

1211
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,119
there was no place for ufo statistics

1212
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:26,559
what can you learn for that

1213
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,599
i had a major individual at

1214
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,240
mufon say if we're not studying it

1215
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:34,079
doesn't it doesn't need to be studied

1216
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,790
did you karate chop him to the throat

1217
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:45,190
i mean leave me believe me i i would

1218
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,319
have liked to

1219
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,800
um the bottom line though uh he saw that

1220
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:50,400
you know the briefing i sent you before

1221
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,040
the show

1222
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,680
right he he was on a distribution list

1223
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:55,599
that saw that briefing recently and he

1224
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,160
went

1225
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,400
bananas and he said this needs to be put

1226
00:48:00,710 --> 00:48:00,160
in front of every academic in this

1227
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,720
country

1228
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,880
and i i felt vindicated at that point

1229
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,000
yeah what did i

1230
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:07,839
i texted you right this is brilliant

1231
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,040
i mean it it's just a great read now

1232
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,000
the links uh for cheryl everybody are

1233
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,400
over at jimmychurchradio.com very easy

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to get to just go and click and

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00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:20,480
and uh check out there's uh two volumes

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00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,200
uh to the book

1237
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,240
um to the desk reference but of course

1238
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,640
there's also the ufo beat the new york

1239
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:27,839
skies column

1240
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,280
from july 2013 to june 2019. let's take

1241
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:33,280
our break right here cheryl and when we

1242
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,000
come back

1243
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,240
i'm gonna jump into some stats can we

1244
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,000
jump into some stats

1245
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,839
sure i'm pulling the database up now

1246
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,280
i'll talk to you in a minute

1247
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:43,040
this is fade to black i am your host

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00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,319
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00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:47,359
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everything is right there at

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00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:53,440
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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight

1372
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,079
cheryl costa is here tomorrow night

1373
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,280
ronnie dawson

1374
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:40,240
the texas oil field ufo incident it's

1375
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,359
going to be great

1376
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:43,599
wednesday night of course richard dolan

1377
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,640
is here we will be doing our uaptf

1378
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,440
preview event and then of course we know

1379
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:51,200
what's supposed to go down on thursday

1380
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,079
maybe friday

1381
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,079
and uh but that's the week here and

1382
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,000
tonight it's cheryl costa

1383
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,280
and uh her two books uh are out the

1384
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,599
links are over at jimmychurchradio.com

1385
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,000
uh right now we're gonna jump into you

1386
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,000
of the ufo sightings desk

1387
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:09,200
reference and cheryl um i just

1388
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,040
uh posted out on social media

1389
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,599
this question okay now don't say

1390
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:16,799
anything cheryl

1391
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,000
okay don't don't do it but

1392
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,640
the question is okay what city do you

1393
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,000
think has the most

1394
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,349
and uh so here are you know i've got

1395
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,920
hundreds of responses but here we go

1396
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:34,640
we've got

1397
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,640
uh philadelphia uh clark county nevada

1398
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:41,680
chicago uh arkansas

1399
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,200
uh philadelphia uh odessa texas pa rump

1400
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:46,720
nevada

1401
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:49,920
las vegas uh washington state

1402
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,160
gulf breeze florida um buffalo new york

1403
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,960
comes in there you go salem somebody put

1404
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:59,280
madagascar that's actually kind of funny

1405
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:02,799
and um but uh i can keep going down

1406
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:06,640
uh the list here washington state not dc

1407
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,480
vegas vegas uh nye county

1408
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,559
a lot of vegas here right uh and you

1409
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,000
would expect that

1410
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,119
um we've got ohio north carolina

1411
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,960
we're gonna we're gonna circle back to

1412
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,720
that north carolina

1413
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,880
uh i found that a very interesting

1414
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,880
portland oregon santa fe

1415
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,880
right and i'm just gonna say this to

1416
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:28,240
everybody

1417
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,980
you're all wrong

1418
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,640
[Laughter]

1419
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:35,760
you're all wrong um there was one

1420
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,720
uh got hawaii in here um there one

1421
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,319
person got it right

1422
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,960
i i read over that and i'm pretty

1423
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:44,880
fascinated but uh

1424
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:48,079
the number one location cheryl what is

1425
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:49,119
it

1426
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:54,640
book

1427
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:58,000
is uh phoenix arizona now

1428
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:01,079
that that can't be right right it's good

1429
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,640
221 sightings in 20 years

1430
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,960
for a municipality that's a lot now are

1431
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:07,839
you

1432
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,200
compiling the data

1433
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,720
but were you surprised with phoenix

1434
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,799
no it wasn't because the county that

1435
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,720
it's in well one they had the phoenix

1436
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,000
lights 20 years ago

1437
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,880
sure all right and the county maricopa

1438
00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:26,319
county is the number two

1439
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,720
county in the country for sightings of 3

1440
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,359
125 counties

1441
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,839
reported into our database they're the

1442
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,640
number two

1443
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,040
county in the united states that's more

1444
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,119
sightings for that county

1445
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,480
than of uh 36 individual states

1446
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,359
that's insane right and then and then so

1447
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,520
as surprising as it was for me

1448
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:50,079
uh to see phoenix at the top of the list

1449
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:51,839
then he just kind of got a

1450
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,240
back up a little bit with with a put a

1451
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:56,079
lens on this and just think about what

1452
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,680
we're talking about here

1453
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,680
and it's like of course right it just

1454
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:01,200
makes a lot of sense phoenix is in the

1455
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,240
middle of a bleep in

1456
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:05,040
desert that you know there's so much

1457
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,559
action going on there

1458
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,119
uh very little light pollution once you

1459
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:10,640
get outside of phoenix

1460
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,640
in maricopa county the sky is incredible

1461
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,480
but then you have all of the the other

1462
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,760
things that are going on

1463
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:20,079
in arizona so it actually makes a lot of

1464
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,520
sense to me

1465
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,640
yeah and okay uh we've got drivers the

1466
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,680
drivers can be po

1467
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,760
is pot population people need jerk on

1468
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:28,880
population but

1469
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,599
it's the drivers are population

1470
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:32,799
temperate weather

1471
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,160
leisure time access to broadband

1472
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:38,720
hours of darkness okay those are the

1473
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:39,200
major

1474
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,599
works out there in in

1475
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,559
phoenix arizona and people are outside

1476
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,240
they're outside a lot

1477
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:50,240
there's a lot to see you're always

1478
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:51,359
looking and

1479
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,040
there you go but phoenix 1221

1480
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,920
sightings over a 20-year period and with

1481
00:59:03,549 --> 00:58:59,760
the number one ranking

1482
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,559
now cooper county had uh

1483
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:06,240
3342 in that 20-year period that's right

1484
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:09,040
and and maricopa counties freaking giant

1485
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:10,079
by the way yes

1486
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,760
it's a big county um and uh now

1487
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:16,079
i'm gonna let me count here one two

1488
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:16,880
three four

1489
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:20,799
five six seven eight nine ten

1490
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:23,920
i'm going to say that i am

1491
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:27,200
completely surprised with eight out of

1492
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:28,559
ten

1493
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,400
pretty big surprise

1494
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,240
uh number three which we're going to get

1495
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,319
to in a second i think we

1496
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,359
expected that but uh number four

1497
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:42,400
five six seven eight i

1498
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,960
count number nine is unspecified

1499
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,160
somewhere in california

1500
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:48,319
we'll get to that and then you know

1501
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,440
number 10 i

1502
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:51,599
is a little bit surprising to me but

1503
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:52,640
it's also

1504
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:55,920
what is in the news right now and that's

1505
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,480
also

1506
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,000
pretty enlightening so let's go through

1507
01:00:04,150 --> 00:59:59,760
this number two

1508
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,160
is new york city with 971.

1509
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,440
now when we talk about new york city

1510
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:09,839
are we talking about manhattan or are we

1511
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,880
talking about a bigger chunk of land

1512
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:15,359
we're talking all five boroughs normally

1513
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:16,559
i in past i

1514
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,079
only counted new york city as manhattan

1515
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,799
but i got a lot of pushback that the

1516
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,799
entire incorporated area was

1517
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,960
you know five boroughs or five counties

1518
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,079
so we started counting

1519
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:31,040
it and uh so it was phoenix new york

1520
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,960
city you know it was the ranking on the

1521
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,160
thing

1522
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,839
now a lot of people say well they got

1523
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,280
all that light pollution you know well

1524
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,280
once you get up above the ground in some

1525
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:41,119
of those high-rise apartment buildings

1526
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,079
uh it's a very clear shot to see things

1527
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,319
some of the most incredible sightings uh

1528
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,920
happened right there in new york city

1529
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,520
and i always think about

1530
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,880
you know one of my favorite sightings

1531
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,640
that's john lennon

1532
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,240
right john london with one of the most

1533
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,720
incredible sightings in history

1534
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,880
and his description of that but that was

1535
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:00,880
from the top of a building

1536
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:04,319
right there in manhattan but 971

1537
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:05,760
sightings

1538
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,960
and the light pollution part can come in

1539
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,720
uh and i get that but when you're

1540
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,319
talking about queens and

1541
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:15,440
and staten island and and the bronx

1542
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:18,319
uh those are uh definitions only by

1543
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,040
streets

1544
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,839
you know you're not driving miles uh

1545
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:23,280
through the country to get to these

1546
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,160
other boroughs

1547
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,720
you're just in some cases literally

1548
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:28,240
you're at a street light and

1549
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:31,599
and in the crosswalk now there's there's

1550
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,760
a little glitch in new york a lot of

1551
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:35,520
people would report it as

1552
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:38,000
new york okay and they would sometimes

1553
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:38,640
say

1554
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:41,920
um new york bronx new york uh

1555
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,480
queens or whatever right right but if

1556
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,640
they just said new york city

1557
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:48,640
you know it kind of rolled up and we had

1558
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:49,680
to make the assumption

1559
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,880
it was manhattan but because there was

1560
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,640
there was again some there was a problem

1561
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:56,240
with the database they don't let you

1562
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,240
split it out a little bit more detail

1563
01:02:01,430 --> 01:02:00,240
especially a bigger metropolitan area

1564
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:01,440
and that's kind of a shame

1565
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,720
i wish the um the databases would

1566
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,160
give you a blank there to make a little

1567
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,920
bit more clarification now what about

1568
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:08,880
long island

1569
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:12,240
is that part of this number uh

1570
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,680
no uh not really because remember this

1571
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,119
is the city numbers

1572
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,440
now when it comes to counties uh they're

1573
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:21,039
number one in new york state

1574
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:23,599
no you you can't get ahead of your skis

1575
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,240
on me

1576
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,720
we got to save some surprises for later

1577
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:28,240
we'll save it

1578
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,760
now uh and so number three's las vegas

1579
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:32,720
number four

1580
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:36,000
los angeles i find that interesting

1581
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:39,200
city the city the city of los angeles um

1582
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:42,720
seattle portland chicago tucson

1583
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:46,240
and uh and then following up the rear is

1584
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:47,520
san diego

1585
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,039
but there is an unspecified

1586
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,240
location here uh somewhere in california

1587
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:56,079
um okay let me explain what that is

1588
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:57,520
please there's one

1589
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,960
in every state people about three and a

1590
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,640
half percent of people who

1591
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:04,480
entered a a sighting report didn't

1592
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,200
matter was new fork or mufon

1593
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,200
um they simply didn't fill out what the

1594
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,720
city was

1595
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,319
or they put something in there my mother

1596
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:14,079
told me well told me not to tell you or

1597
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,599
the sheriff told me not to tell you

1598
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:17,039
something like that so i'm afraid to

1599
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:18,079
tell you

1600
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,680
and uh so um when there was no

1601
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,599
description as to what city or what

1602
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:25,119
municipality it was

1603
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:28,319
uh we simply made it unspecified and

1604
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:31,359
and loaded it into a unknown county for

1605
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,319
that state so

1606
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,240
every state has an unknown county right

1607
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,319
and has the unspecifieds in there

1608
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,400
and when i was trying to rank things to

1609
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:40,480
actually keep it very honest i had to

1610
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,599
leave the um

1611
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:44,000
the unspecified it rolled up it just

1612
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,520
fell where it fell

1613
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:48,720
now uh when i look at this we have los

1614
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:49,599
angeles here

1615
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:52,559
we have san diego but that's pretty much

1616
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:52,960
it

1617
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:55,839
for california but you know if you look

1618
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,480
at

1619
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,960
you know texas with san antonio and

1620
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:00,720
austin and

1621
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:03,920
and uh how houston right

1622
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:06,559
there's it seems to me that that texas

1623
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:08,000
is right there

1624
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,760
uh when you break it down but they have

1625
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,839
more cities right so the number for

1626
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:12,880
texas is

1627
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,240
is actually pretty large they had well

1628
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:18,960
okay they got more cities um uh new york

1629
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:19,520
state

1630
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:24,000
60 counties california is

1631
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:28,079
very similar texas has 256 now some of

1632
01:04:32,190 --> 01:04:28,720
them might

1633
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,200
just be sagebrush and sand but they have

1634
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,400
256 counties so

1635
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:36,799
um it was it was an issue back when they

1636
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:39,200
were drawing county sizes to keep them

1637
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:42,960
a 20-mile area and texas is a big place

1638
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:46,240
you know it is huge um almost as big as

1639
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:47,119
long island

1640
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,000
and we'll come back to that uh that's an

1641
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:51,920
inside joke everybody but

1642
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,440
yep um there um

1643
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,839
uh but i'm surprised by some of these

1644
01:05:03,270 --> 01:04:59,839
other cities that round out

1645
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:03,280
uh this uh top 20 and uh

1646
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,960
and for the listeners out there your

1647
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,960
cities may be here because it rounds out

1648
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:08,000
with you know houston

1649
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:11,359
denver albuquerque orlando austin san

1650
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,920
antonio miami philadelphia colorado

1651
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:14,880
springs

1652
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:19,520
sacramento myrtle beach south carolina

1653
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,720
boise san francisco down on the list i

1654
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:23,839
would have thought if they would have

1655
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:24,880
been higher

1656
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,520
uh jacksonville san jose and then

1657
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:28,960
rounding it out with uh

1658
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,079
indianapolis when when you are

1659
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:34,559
is does any of this surprise you as much

1660
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:37,760
as it surprises me in these rankings

1661
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:40,400
uh there's a few uh that surprised the

1662
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:41,520
heck out of me

1663
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,799
um i a few years ago i didn't know how

1664
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:46,559
to sort this properly and there are

1665
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,000
there are a half a dozen portlands okay

1666
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,480
and uh the number kind of came up there

1667
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,240
really big until i started

1668
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:56,400
uh running the report in such a way that

1669
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,839
would break it out by the state

1670
01:06:01,349 --> 01:06:00,480
and portland oregon had uh has a lot of

1671
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,359
sightings

1672
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:03,200
what was interesting if you look at it

1673
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:04,880
by the year

1674
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,240
you know just for portland um

1675
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,039
2020 was a banner year because they had

1676
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,960
all the protests and people were outside

1677
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:14,319
and things like this you know

1678
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,760
so we were literally able to correlate

1679
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,440
this the higher sightings

1680
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:21,440
to the periods of time when there were

1681
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,559
large amounts of people

1682
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,799
in the streets now let's let's talk

1683
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:25,920
about that for a second

1684
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,359
um with the uh with the year 2020

1685
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,920
and with kovid and people at home did

1686
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,280
you see

1687
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,520
uh a spike or a decrease in numbers

1688
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,039
anything interesting uh

1689
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:39,599
in a particular month yeah a couple of

1690
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,400
things one i took 2019 off because i

1691
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:44,000
knew the numbers would be coming back

1692
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:44,480
later

1693
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:46,079
right okay i had other things i wanted

1694
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:47,920
to work on

1695
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:50,240
early 2020 i started getting phone calls

1696
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:51,280
from people

1697
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,599
and george knapp called me up from las

1698
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,440
vegas he said my phone's ringing off the

1699
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:57,760
hook would you check things so

1700
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,160
i use as a benchmark national ufo

1701
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,319
reporting center and i took a quick look

1702
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:04,319
at the first two months of the year

1703
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,000
and we hadn't had monthly numbers like

1704
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,200
that since like 2014 2012

1705
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:14,319
and going whoa that's that's that's

1706
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,760
interesting i have a model that i built

1707
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:20,000
it's pretty accurate so every time we

1708
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,400
got a monthly total for 2020 we'd stick

1709
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,760
it in the model and we were actually

1710
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:25,039
getting a prediction that

1711
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:26,880
the year was going to shake out as good

1712
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:30,000
as the peak years of the 2000s

1713
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:34,319
what was interesting was that uh

1714
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:35,839
when we were getting ready to go into

1715
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,480
the lockdown

1716
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:40,480
people had heard me talk about on

1717
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,000
various radio shows that heard me talk

1718
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,680
about the fact that leisure time was a

1719
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,839
was a factor and a lot of fans were

1720
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,760
calling me up and emailing me and says

1721
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:49,359
hey we're going into lockdown for a

1722
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:50,720
couple months here's a perfect

1723
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:52,000
laboratory

1724
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,680
for you to measure this it would make

1725
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,200
sense yes yeah

1726
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:57,599
and it did and and uh and we've got a

1727
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,160
plot in the in the data i sent you

1728
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:02,400
where march and april were through the

1729
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:03,280
roof

1730
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,640
you know and that's when we were all

1731
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:06,400
locked down and a lot of people thought

1732
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:08,000
everybody was hiding in their house

1733
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:09,680
watching streaming tv and eating too

1734
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,000
much

1735
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:12,880
but we all did but but a lot of people

1736
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,920
were outside

1737
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,680
uh you know on the on the deck on the

1738
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,839
patio working on the lawn yeah i can't

1739
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:19,199
go to work so i might as well do that

1740
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,799
you know i'm doing home improvements we

1741
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:22,719
found a lot of that going on

1742
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,600
and um uh you know the people who report

1743
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,520
these things to most are smokers and dog

1744
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,799
walkers

1745
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:30,080
they're considered among the most

1746
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,159
reliable viewers out there

1747
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,920
and i'm there every day day in and day

1748
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,279
out i'm both

1749
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:36,799
[Laughter]

1750
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:40,799
so there you go there you go now um okay

1751
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:43,920
uh i'm gonna get to the county stuff

1752
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:47,359
first uh or next but

1753
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:50,640
as we move along tonight what is really

1754
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:52,319
interesting here because you have the

1755
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,920
data is

1756
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:56,080
we have shapes we have types we have

1757
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,520
that we're going to go through that year

1758
01:09:02,789 --> 01:08:58,799
by year i find that

1759
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:02,799
absolutely fascinating but you also

1760
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,480
had to eliminate a lot of data

1761
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,799
and that number you can correct me if

1762
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:10,000
i'm wrong cheryl and i

1763
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,400
probably am started off at about a

1764
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:14,400
hundred and sixty hundred and seventy

1765
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:15,040
thousand

1766
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,880
right was the number and then through

1767
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:21,199
removal of different categories and

1768
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:21,920
sightings

1769
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,199
that number was reduced to what well

1770
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,799
okay about fifty thousand

1771
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,679
fifty thousand but i gotta be clear on

1772
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:31,359
this the book reflects

1773
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:34,799
okay 20 years of data 2001 to 2020

1774
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,400
right 167 632

1775
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:41,520
okay we kept everything now when we're

1776
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,199
getting into our analysis

1777
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,799
a lot of people say well you gotta get

1778
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,400
the way it was always presented me hey

1779
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:47,759
did you take out the kooks nuts and

1780
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,480
crack pots

1781
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,759
right that's how it was always expressed

1782
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:52,000
to me well okay so

1783
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,520
i always had to test that with people

1784
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:55,679
well do i take fifty percent out

1785
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:59,199
do i take uh uh 20 out what how much do

1786
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,080
i take out

1787
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,080
finally just to shut everybody up i said

1788
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:03,760
let's just take 70

1789
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,840
off the top i don't know which ones they

1790
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,520
are but we'll take 70

1791
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,280
off the top and we'll keep 30 percent

1792
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,560
what will that give us

1793
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,239
and i got the numbers right here you

1794
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:14,560
blow your audience's socks off

1795
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:17,920
167 000 30 of that is 50

1796
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:22,280
290. divide that by 20 years you get

1797
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:23,679
2515

1798
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,120
divide that by uh 12 months

1799
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:30,960
you get basically 210 now what does 210

1800
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:33,920
tell us well if all 50 states were equal

1801
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:34,880
they are not

1802
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,600
but if for stake of our talk talk if all

1803
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:39,600
50 states were equal

1804
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:42,719
every state would have four

1805
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,080
exotic sightings a month every month

1806
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,480
for the past 20 years and even that if

1807
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:50,560
you stop right there that's a crazy big

1808
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,440
number

1809
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:54,159
yeah it is that's scary yeah that's a

1810
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:55,199
crazy

1811
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,239
big number okay so we're gonna

1812
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:00,080
we're gonna break this down and now

1813
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:02,000
there were also

1814
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:05,120
uh elimination of some

1815
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,560
types of craft and i found this

1816
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,640
pretty interesting too cheryl and i

1817
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,000
think it's this was linda

1818
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,640
this was linda okay oh you're putting it

1819
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,159
on linda

1820
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,000
oh no well we had talked we came up with

1821
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,159
two things she came up with

1822
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:23,040
the secret is in the shapes yes and then

1823
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:23,360
i

1824
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,440
uh for myself to see some of these

1825
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,880
categories

1826
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:37,440
uh removed and i'm gonna leave it to you

1827
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,880
what was uh

1828
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:41,600
what was the first craft type that you

1829
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,080
removed from the data

1830
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:46,960
cigar shapes cylinder shapes easily

1831
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,679
easily

1832
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,920
uh the side of an airplane i saw one

1833
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:51,520
like that today i thought i thought i

1834
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,719
thought it was a saucer

1835
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,560
and then the plane changed angle ever so

1836
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,560
slightly and i could see the wings

1837
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,719
okay number two you know there's some

1838
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:00,880
people right now that just blew a gasket

1839
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:04,880
right okay so um that what was the next

1840
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:05,920
one

1841
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:09,199
i threw out triangles now now that that

1842
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:09,920
was not my

1843
01:12:13,709 --> 01:12:12,640
okay linda said the truth was in the

1844
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,719
exotic

1845
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,000
non-aerodynamic shapes and she said that

1846
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:18,480
before we heard from lou alisondo

1847
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:21,840
so the decision behind that that's part

1848
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:22,320
of it

1849
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:26,400
and is the other consideration here

1850
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:29,520
is the tr3b uh

1851
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,320
secretary right every time i wrote an

1852
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,560
article about triangles in my column

1853
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,560
right uh there was always be 50 people

1854
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:38,080
who would write me and say oh

1855
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:41,199
cheryl you dumb bunny that's a that's dr

1856
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,760
3b so i said okay fine if that's what

1857
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:45,760
you think it is i'll just eliminate it

1858
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:46,239
so i

1859
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,840
i took out everything that could be even

1860
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:50,159
remotely

1861
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:54,640
viewed as a conventional aircraft

1862
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:58,480
okay f-117 b-2 stealth bomber

1863
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:01,679
exactly uh tr-3b which it could be a

1864
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:04,960
secret access program uh

1865
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,600
advanced uh i think that three

1866
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,080
especially when you go back to belgium

1867
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,880
i kind of think things were being tested

1868
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:13,600
um

1869
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:16,560
and there you go so we we still don't

1870
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,040
know the bottom line with the tr-3b

1871
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:21,120
but taking it out is something that is

1872
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:22,880
extraterrestrial i think is the right

1873
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,000
thing to do

1874
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,320
well what ended up happening was uh as

1875
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,480
we took these things out

1876
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:30,800
and we had some very interesting you

1877
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,760
know

1878
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,840
friendly arguments about it here you

1879
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:35,040
know over coffee

1880
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,880
but basically when we got done we

1881
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:38,560
basically ended up with all the really

1882
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:39,520
weird stuff

1883
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,040
ovals circles squares die

1884
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,440
triangles diamond shapes you know the

1885
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,440
changing ufo that kind of stuff

1886
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,920
saturn-shaped ufos and guess what they

1887
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:51,360
added up to

1888
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:54,719
32 of the stuff now isn't that

1889
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:55,520
interesting

1890
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,120
okay so we did

1891
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,679
cigars black triangles what was the

1892
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:04,080
third craft

1893
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:08,159
uh well okay i i well i said the

1894
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,840
triangle actually i took that out so

1895
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:11,440
there was a third one right there cigar

1896
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,080
shapes

1897
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:15,040
all that um let me think for a second

1898
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:16,400
what was one of the other big ones

1899
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:19,679
um oh the blimp the blimp

1900
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:22,719
and um i i find that okay

1901
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:26,880
so bullet shaped bullet shaped and it

1902
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,600
was flying saucer like the saucer shape

1903
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:31,199
was that part of the consideration i

1904
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:31,840
kept i

1905
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,520
actually i kept that you kept that okay

1906
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,000
now um and and i'm gonna get to the

1907
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:39,679
counties here in a second everybody can

1908
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,320
relax

1909
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:42,239
and i'll do that before the break i'll

1910
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,440
give you uh

1911
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,440
i'll give you the top five and it's very

1912
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,120
interesting by the way

1913
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,320
um uh in

1914
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:53,280
the data i i think that especially

1915
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,920
everybody

1916
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:55,520
you know today talking about tic tacs

1917
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:57,280
but you have

1918
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:00,400
two considerations here

1919
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:03,440
you have egg shaped and you have

1920
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,440
oval shaped so what would the difference

1921
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:10,560
be because to me it seems the same so

1922
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,000
why would you

1923
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,320
put those in two different categories

1924
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,920
two different david databases

1925
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:17,520
description

1926
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,920
okay so they move on or new fork right

1927
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:21,040
so

1928
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:22,960
in a general sense we could be talking

1929
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,640
about the same craft then

1930
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:27,199
yeah very easily okay okay all right so

1931
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,840
whoo

1932
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:30,080
i i i that was a head scratcher for me

1933
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:31,600
let me give you let me give you a real

1934
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,719
quick one here

1935
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,880
uh remember when everything was all the

1936
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:37,280
sightings were really falling off uh

1937
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,040
peter davenport was saying somebody's

1938
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:41,440
messing with my reporting

1939
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:44,080
all that stuff okay i was at the mufon

1940
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:44,880
convention

1941
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:48,480
in cherry hill new jersey in 2017.

1942
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,679
and uh linda and i took a a laptop down

1943
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,280
there with a small printer

1944
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,960
and if you came up to us and told us

1945
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:56,480
your state and county we'd give you a

1946
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,360
dump for whatever

1947
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:59,840
was associated with that county for the

1948
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,239
18 years we had at that point

1949
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:05,360
and okay lou was talking to me we were

1950
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,719
having a cup of coffee on saturday

1951
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,760
morning and

1952
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,600
he says yeah everything's falling off i

1953
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:11,199
said yeah you know something you want to

1954
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:12,800
hear something strange he said what you

1955
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,360
know and

1956
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:15,679
you know he's always got that stoic look

1957
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:16,560
you know

1958
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:19,679
and i said um while

1959
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:22,880
everybody's fallen off uh four

1960
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:25,920
shapes are on the four shapes around the

1961
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:26,960
rise

1962
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:29,520
and he looks at me funnies it's what i

1963
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:30,239
said yeah

1964
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:32,159
whenever the saturn shape shows up we

1965
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,360
only have about 30 or 40 of them a year

1966
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,120
um that's the one that's like a half a

1967
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:39,280
mile wide the japan airline and

1968
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,159
countered it back in 86 you know

1969
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:43,679
whenever that shows up

1970
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,360
these other two shapes show up

1971
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,920
okay and it happened to be tear drop

1972
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:50,800
shape

1973
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:56,159
we saw a higher number of activity with

1974
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:56,480
the

1975
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:59,840
more and

1976
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,840
i looked at it and i says you know if

1977
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,600
the saturn shaped ship was like an

1978
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:05,679
aircraft carrier the teardrop would be

1979
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,159
like a

1980
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,480
shuttle and the egg shape would be like

1981
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,159
a scout ship type of thing and then we

1982
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:12,239
also threw in the changing shape as a

1983
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:13,280
stealth

1984
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:15,760
and they all had a similar pattern and

1985
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:16,400
they all

1986
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:19,040
appeared when the saturn shape is here

1987
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,440
and and i showed him it was on the rise

1988
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:23,760
and i printed it out and he looked at it

1989
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:25,040
she's gonna have this

1990
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,679
you know and he had this really really

1991
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:29,280
troubled look he folded it up put it in

1992
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:31,120
this lapel pocket and took off you know

1993
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,679
so

1994
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:33,520
um but that's one of those things that

1995
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:35,120
when everybody was saying oh everybody

1996
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:35,920
went home

1997
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:38,080
no no no no there were several that were

1998
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:39,199
on the rise

1999
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:42,239
and those four shapes seem to correlate

2000
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,719
together

2001
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:44,640
and you only see that when you compile

2002
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:45,920
the data

2003
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:48,719
right you this would escape everybody

2004
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,440
unless

2005
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:51,600
you're looking at the data and you can

2006
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,040
see everything line up oh

2007
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:56,239
oh yeah oh yeah let me give you another

2008
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,000
spin on that when you crunch the data

2009
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,480
a certain way i've got a chart that i

2010
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:02,320
run that goes down one side

2011
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:05,920
for 365 days and then going across the

2012
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:08,719
top is 2001 to 2020. so

2013
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:11,679
over 12 pages basically one page per

2014
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:12,560
month

2015
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,080
landscape i printed out 20 years worth

2016
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,080
of daily sightings

2017
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:20,159
okay for every year for every day for

2018
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,440
that 20 years

2019
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:23,040
okay one of the things we discovered you

2020
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:24,640
know the average per

2021
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,000
day is only about um

2022
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:30,000
somewhere about 20 a day for the whole

2023
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:32,000
country okay

2024
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:35,120
and you know you have people like us we

2025
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:35,440
get

2026
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:36,880
requests from these people for

2027
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:38,800
television series and things like this

2028
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:39,280
you know

2029
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,560
and they always want to do the low

2030
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:46,560
hanging fruit roswell

2031
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:50,080
caxburg stevenson and i told a group of

2032
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:50,880
producers

2033
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:53,679
i've identified 175 places in the

2034
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,480
country

2035
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,800
you've never heard of they have nothing

2036
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:58,480
going on most the time

2037
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:01,760
that had a one-day thing of 25 30

2038
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:05,440
60 sightings 200 sightings in one day

2039
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:07,920
when the national average is only about

2040
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,480
20

2041
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,880
and most states have an average of two a

2042
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,080
week

2043
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:13,920
you know so you know nobody was

2044
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:15,280
interested it was pitching these

2045
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,520
producers was like talking to goldfish i

2046
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,880
got an aquarium

2047
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:21,040
60 inches from me and it's like talking

2048
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:22,719
to those fish

2049
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,239
cheryl you're the best you're the best

2050
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:26,719
okay we're at a break right here so i'm

2051
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,280
gonna give

2052
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,400
everybody this is the top five counties

2053
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:33,040
los angeles county number one maricopa

2054
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:34,239
county number two

2055
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,679
cook county illinois number three

2056
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:40,560
san diego county california number four

2057
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:40,960
and

2058
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,000
king county washington

2059
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:46,159
rounds out the top five absolutely

2060
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:47,679
incredible data right there our guest

2061
01:19:52,910 --> 01:19:49,760
cheryl costa

2062
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,920
the books the links are over at

2063
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,239
jimmychurchradio.com

2064
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,840
you've got to get yourself a copy of the

2065
01:20:07,280 --> 01:19:57,840
desk reference i'll be right back this

2066
01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:17,830
[Music]

2067
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:20,950
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2068
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,080
you're listening to fade to black

2069
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[Applause]

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01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:47,990
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2074
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,000
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2075
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:52,080
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2079
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2080
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headed do you wonder about the food

2081
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:04,239
supply

2082
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chain could be disastrous

2083
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2084
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:12,800
warning that's why the smartest thing

2085
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:13,840
you can do today

2086
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,960
is to stockpile emergency food water

2087
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:19,360
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2088
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,000
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2089
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2092
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2093
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2094
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,520
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2095
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:36,239
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2096
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,520
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2097
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2098
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:42,480
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2099
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:45,040
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2100
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:46,480
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2101
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:49,440
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01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,159
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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,830
downl

2118
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:43,830
you are listening to fate to black with

2119
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:51,189
hi i'm reecey vance you're listening to

2120
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:52,239
jimmy church

2121
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:55,360
this is revolution the revolution will

2122
01:23:04,830 --> 01:22:56,719
not be televised

2123
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:12,360
ciao

2124
01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:32,830
[Music]

2125
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:34,000
so

2126
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,950
welcome back fade to black i am your

2127
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,040
host jimmy church tonight cheryl costa

2128
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:48,480
is here

2129
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,840
her book ufo sightings desk reference is

2130
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,320
a necessity for everybody in this

2131
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:56,159
audience you need to go and get yourself

2132
01:23:58,350 --> 01:23:57,040
a copy

2133
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,360
the links are over at

2134
01:24:00,790 --> 01:24:00,080
jimmychurchradio.com you look at the

2135
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:00,800
data

2136
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:04,719
how this has been compiled i don't know

2137
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:08,880
cheryl i gotta ask you did you

2138
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,000
ever like i'm going crazy

2139
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,280
this data is just overwhelming

2140
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,840
does it get to that point where you know

2141
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:18,960
it's black and white

2142
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,960
it's data and it's coming at you but

2143
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,120
you've got it broken down

2144
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,600
uh in such a comprehensive way does it

2145
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:27,840
does it get to be overwhelming

2146
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,800
uh yeah linda comes home from her day

2147
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,159
job at the library

2148
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:34,960
uh from second week of january of this

2149
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:35,360
year

2150
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,760
to the first week of uh first week of

2151
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:39,520
may when we put that thing up

2152
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,800
uh at amazon um she'd come home i'd put

2153
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:44,639
in six seven eight hours working with

2154
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:45,520
this data

2155
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:47,120
building the charts and tables and

2156
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:48,639
things and she'd come home and

2157
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:51,760
like i was like cross-eyed you know

2158
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,400
just totally squirrely you know and it

2159
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,080
was hard to engage me in a good

2160
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:58,880
civil conversation about just things

2161
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,520
because

2162
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:01,600
the numbers were just swirling in my

2163
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,239
head and um there was no getting away

2164
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:06,239
from it if you wanted to talk to me and

2165
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:07,840
that's all that was in my head at the

2166
01:25:12,990 --> 01:25:10,400
time well you go you're going to uh

2167
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:13,000
not now that you've got this through uh

2168
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:14,800
2020

2169
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:17,360
um are you going to constantly now is

2170
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,870
let me explain what we're going to do

2171
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:27,360
okay i i turned 69 a couple of months

2172
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,840
ago

2173
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,760
you look great by the way thank you

2174
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,199
thank you thank you and

2175
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:33,600
uh the attitude we have right now is

2176
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:34,320
that uh

2177
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,760
how do i want to say this if we're gonna

2178
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:39,520
do a five year update which a number of

2179
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:41,360
people have asked me to do

2180
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:44,400
i said i'll be 75.

2181
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:47,760
okay and it's

2182
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:50,560
let me let me explain something happen

2183
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,120
last

2184
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,480
summer in 2020

2185
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,639
um linda and i knew we were probably

2186
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,960
going to do a 2020 book

2187
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:01,199
and one of the problems we realized was

2188
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,400
17

2189
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,320
of the database people spelled the name

2190
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:06,800
of their cities wrong

2191
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,840
okay and we couldn't sort on it

2192
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,960
okay so uh we decided right then and

2193
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:14,960
there we were going to fix this so we

2194
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:17,360
got a golden mail we purchased a golden

2195
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:18,480
email list

2196
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:21,840
with zip codes and all this kind of

2197
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,239
stuff

2198
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,480
had that launched due to information and

2199
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:26,480
and zip codes and all that kind of thing

2200
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,760
and we um set it up so it had the same

2201
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:31,600
columns as our database and we

2202
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:33,600
made it a different color and we merged

2203
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,920
it in and we could only do i could i

2204
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:38,080
started working on it in

2205
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:42,080
mid august second week of august in 2020

2206
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:44,960
and it took me till an average of three

2207
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:46,560
to four days a week working on

2208
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,520
on a day basis about 1500 lines a day

2209
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:51,040
because you get squirrely looking at

2210
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:52,719
those lines of stuff

2211
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:55,840
and we finished it 650 hours later the

2212
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:57,760
first week of january which is when i

2213
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:59,600
turned around and started generating all

2214
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:01,040
the charts

2215
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:04,000
for the book and i already had like a

2216
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,679
ton of yellow stickies on the wall

2217
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:07,360
exactly how i was going to build the

2218
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:08,000
book

2219
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,360
and when i got down to about mid april

2220
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,199
uh i had everything i've been going over

2221
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:15,120
to staples with thumb drive printing

2222
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:18,239
things out i had essentially a stat a

2223
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,800
book

2224
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:21,120
if you take all the papers i printed out

2225
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:22,800
now the book is only an inch and a half

2226
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:23,280
thick

2227
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:26,639
okay the the sample book is five

2228
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,320
inches thick okay so linda took

2229
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,320
she had to burn some vacations so she

2230
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:34,560
took a whole week of vacation off came

2231
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,040
out

2232
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:37,360
came and i started laying like certain

2233
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:39,120
things i laid him out on the bed or laid

2234
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:40,639
him out on the floor and she'd look at

2235
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,760
him and she said

2236
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:44,320
our secret sauce for this book is the

2237
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:45,679
shapes diagrams

2238
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:48,159
those go after the analysis stuff and

2239
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,280
then she started

2240
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:51,280
she's the publisher so she said okay

2241
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,400
we're gonna do it like this

2242
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:54,239
so she organized it the way she thought

2243
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:55,679
made sense and

2244
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:58,239
and it does it it the way that it's

2245
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,360
compiled now

2246
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,440
she's a librarian yeah well you know and

2247
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:02,719
i'm thinking you know i think

2248
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:06,000
uh okay 75 i get that five

2249
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:09,520
just give us you know 20 21 20 22

2250
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:12,800
20 23. we got something better okay

2251
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:15,199
you're gonna love this and people think

2252
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,639
i'm crazy do it but

2253
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,320
when we built this book the first one he

2254
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:20,080
did the first one we sat down with word

2255
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,520
and started assembling and she'd asked

2256
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:23,360
me for a chart and i make the charts

2257
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:25,040
and and we basically built the book up

2258
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:26,719
from chapter one right up through the

2259
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,520
last chapter okay this time we did

2260
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:31,840
something different

2261
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:34,320
i would write an article i would make a

2262
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,159
chart whatever the case was

2263
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:38,880
and i'd burn a pdf of it and our plan

2264
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,600
was when we

2265
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,280
went to go put it together we would

2266
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,440
simply take all the pdfs

2267
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:46,080
organize them in a stack like a stack of

2268
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,360
cards or a stack of

2269
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,760
blocks and throw them in the adobe

2270
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,840
acrobat and we got a book

2271
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:53,760
because all amazon wants to publish the

2272
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:57,280
thing is a final one pdf with it all

2273
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:59,679
organized in there so that's how we did

2274
01:29:02,229 --> 01:29:00,400
it i

2275
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:02,239
i didn't start at the beginning i i

2276
01:29:05,830 --> 01:29:04,239
there were charts that i built

2277
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,840
that were actually more towards the end

2278
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:07,679
of the intended for the end of the book

2279
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,159
so i organized it like that so we've got

2280
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:12,239
a template and actually an industrial

2281
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:13,520
process for doing this

2282
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:16,000
okay people kept asking me well can you

2283
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:17,120
drill down to the

2284
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:20,159
city level with all the shapes and i

2285
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:21,760
said yeah we figured it out we ran the

2286
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,800
math on it and it would be the size of

2287
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:27,520
three oxford dictionaries deep 6 800

2288
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:28,480
pages deep

2289
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:31,040
just for our printout of every state

2290
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,239
every county every

2291
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,000
right down to the municipal level with

2292
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,800
their shapes over that 20-year period

2293
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,639
so what we've decided to do is we're

2294
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:40,000
going to generate

2295
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:43,440
50 individual state books titles are

2296
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:44,960
going to be a standard title

2297
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:47,920
like ufos in the skies of california

2298
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:48,480
yeah

2299
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:51,360
would you send me today yes yes yes okay

2300
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,239
you saw a sample

2301
01:29:55,629 --> 01:29:54,639
yes okay and we're so we're going to do

2302
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:55,639
all the charts

2303
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,560
exclusively for that state and just the

2304
01:30:01,750 --> 01:30:00,880
shapes for that state and the patterns

2305
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:01,760
for that shape

2306
01:30:05,189 --> 01:30:04,320
state okay we do all that even that day

2307
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:05,199
by day chart

2308
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:07,520
just for that state okay and you're able

2309
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:10,400
to do this because the data is compiled

2310
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:12,080
right data's compiled it's a matter of

2311
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,679
running additional reports

2312
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:15,360
burning them into pdfs and then just

2313
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:16,960
organizing it into a

2314
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:19,760
public publishable uh book and the

2315
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:20,719
hardest part

2316
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:24,719
doing it is making the cover

2317
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,480
and we've come we've even got we

2318
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:28,159
actually had to take about three weeks

2319
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:31,280
off and figure out an industrial process

2320
01:30:34,950 --> 01:30:32,400
for how we would

2321
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:34,960
burn a burn a cover for this thing

2322
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:35,679
because

2323
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:38,320
for if the book if the manuscript for

2324
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:39,120
one state

2325
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:42,159
is only 10 pages bigger than the another

2326
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,960
state

2327
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:44,639
it's it requires a completely different

2328
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:46,320
cover because of the the size

2329
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:47,040
differences

2330
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:50,320
okay of the spine okay sure so we

2331
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,920
we've come up with a standard way of

2332
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:53,360
doing it um uh

2333
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:56,719
so we've got a process so we're gonna do

2334
01:31:01,510 --> 01:30:59,040
50 individual state books we're going to

2335
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,520
take dc and include it in with maryland

2336
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:03,440
and uh and then what we're going to do

2337
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:04,960
is we're going to do

2338
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,920
there's 35 shapes we're going to do 35

2339
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,040
specialty shape

2340
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:12,480
books now let's depend no so what's

2341
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:13,360
going to happen

2342
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:16,239
between these two reference books and 80

2343
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:17,040
other books

2344
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:18,960
it will be the largest compiled

2345
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:21,199
publication of ufo data

2346
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:24,320
in human history you need a medal

2347
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,880
you and linda you and you and linda

2348
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:28,320
deserve medals

2349
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:30,080
well the white book was my supposed to

2350
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,159
be my master's degree and this pink book

2351
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:34,320
is supposed to be my phd

2352
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:37,679
you've got it you've officially got it

2353
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:41,760
um let's go to uh let's go to uh

2354
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:44,639
page 26 if we can by the way they're

2355
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:45,280
getting these

2356
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:46,560
state books are getting ready to come

2357
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:49,199
out on at a rate of about um anywhere

2358
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,520
from

2359
01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:51,600
four to one one to four a month

2360
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:53,360
depending upon the complexity of states

2361
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:54,560
california is going to be

2362
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:56,080
one of the last ones because it's going

2363
01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:57,600
to be a bear to do

2364
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:00,639
okay all right well that's so then

2365
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:02,560
it's the number one state it's got 21

2366
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:04,159
000 sightings the book's going to be

2367
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:07,199
over 550 pages which is almost the limit

2368
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:09,280
of what we can print through amazon

2369
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:11,040
print on demand printing so it'll take

2370
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:12,560
you about two years

2371
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:15,040
to get it all done uh we're figuring

2372
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:16,800
we're saying about 18 months yeah 18

2373
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:17,520
months

2374
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:19,120
or less if we come up with a little bit

2375
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:21,120
better process the coverage like i said

2376
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:22,639
are the killer

2377
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:24,960
what i've done recently was i ca i can't

2378
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:26,960
figured out what states would be roughly

2379
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:27,600
the same

2380
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:30,400
size as other states and i've got about

2381
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:32,080
i got them in five different ranks so

2382
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:32,719
basically

2383
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,000
right now it looks like i only have to

2384
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,639
build about five or six standard covers

2385
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:38,000
and i just have to change the

2386
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:40,400
information on the overlay once the

2387
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:41,280
data's in there

2388
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:45,360
it's it's there yes um page 26

2389
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:49,120
of the uh summary um

2390
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:51,920
uh let's let's go straight there because

2391
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,239
this

2392
01:33:02,870 --> 01:32:55,280
the

2393
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:02,880
usa all shapes of ufos by year from 2001

2394
01:33:08,030 --> 01:33:04,320
to 2020

2395
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:08,040
again we get back to this number of 167

2396
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:11,040
632 but

2397
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:14,800
this is a very very revealing and

2398
01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:15,840
interesting

2399
01:33:24,070 --> 01:33:20,000
chart um from 2001

2400
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:24,080
to 2007 things were pretty steady

2401
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:27,679
and and um understandable

2402
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:29,840
i should say i'm going to take a guess

2403
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:31,840
here and say an average of

2404
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:35,520
uh 4 000 sightings a year you know on

2405
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:36,080
average

2406
01:33:40,149 --> 01:33:39,199
yep that's about right and then uh 2008

2407
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:40,159
comes along

2408
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:43,600
and it doubles and it stays there

2409
01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:47,360
uh until uh today in 2020.

2410
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:50,320
um and this is all shapes this is

2411
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:51,600
everybody do you know what happened in

2412
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:52,639
2008

2413
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:55,040
uh we had the stock market crash the

2414
01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:56,800
mortgage banking no

2415
01:34:01,590 --> 01:34:00,000
oh i graduated college okay well let me

2416
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:01,600
tell you what happened

2417
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:06,000
um both both if you split it out both

2418
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:08,159
and do a line chart of both mufon and

2419
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:10,400
new fork they're both tracking along

2420
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,560
with mufon being a little smaller than

2421
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:14,639
about about a half of what

2422
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,760
new fork was in 2008 there was a tv

2423
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,840
program that did a a different weird

2424
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,920
topic every week on discovery channel

2425
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:23,840
that type of thing and one particular

2426
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:25,679
episode was about ufos and they

2427
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:27,440
highlighted mufon

2428
01:34:32,470 --> 01:34:30,480
suddenly people knew where to report and

2429
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:32,480
suddenly the numbers went through the

2430
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:34,080
roof

2431
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:37,280
and it jumped up in 2008 and it stayed

2432
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:39,600
pretty level thereafter and just ramping

2433
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,400
up with

2434
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:43,280
parallel to new fork it's a 60 40 ratio

2435
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:44,639
new forks about 60

2436
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:47,119
of the data and move funds about 40

2437
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:47,840
percent

2438
01:34:52,149 --> 01:34:49,840
now uh before we get uh into these

2439
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:52,159
numbers that's a very interesting point

2440
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:53,199
though

2441
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:56,560
um you how

2442
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:59,119
peter davenport is great right is he

2443
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:01,440
great to work with

2444
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:04,400
um i i've never talked to him he just

2445
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:05,840
sends you the data

2446
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,719
no how do you get it i take it i i let

2447
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,480
him know that i was gonna harvest it off

2448
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,480
his website yeah he's public data

2449
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:14,960
peter move on i can't move on i have to

2450
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:15,520
go

2451
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,719
and uh beg borrow but but they've

2452
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:20,719
i've got a good for the first time they

2453
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,760
put me through the ringer

2454
01:35:26,790 --> 01:35:23,840
that was my next question i mean how are

2455
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:26,800
you 2016 they put me through the ringer

2456
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:27,199
right

2457
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:29,600
finally linda got on she's an executive

2458
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,360
she got on did executive talk with them

2459
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:33,440
and i had a file in 10 minutes

2460
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:36,639
you know but i i i went round and round

2461
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:38,000
with these people for three months you

2462
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:38,480
know

2463
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:40,639
but now after the first book came out

2464
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:42,000
and he realized how cool

2465
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:44,800
it was and and and what it was um i i

2466
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,400
just simply call them up say i need a

2467
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:48,159
dump of this and they they give it to me

2468
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,960
yeah right

2469
01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:50,880
because they know i'm not taking any

2470
01:35:54,390 --> 01:35:52,000
confidential data

2471
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:54,400
i'm not going to out anybody i only want

2472
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:55,600
numbers in fact i

2473
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:57,280
first thing i get rid of is the

2474
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,800
description of the sighting

2475
01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:00,560
i don't need it i only want what when

2476
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:02,480
where what shape and what state

2477
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:05,679
now the reason why um i'm so

2478
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:07,840
interested in the all-shape summary it's

2479
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:09,760
also the data that follows that when we

2480
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,000
start

2481
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:12,480
to break down the shapes but there were

2482
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:14,159
uh we had that big jump

2483
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:17,520
in 2007 and 2008 where the numbers

2484
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:18,239
virtually

2485
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:21,440
doubled um going from around

2486
01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:25,440
4 800 or so right in there to 8 800.

2487
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:29,119
uh 9 000 and uh 8 000 9 000

2488
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:34,000
all the way through 2010 but uh 2012

2489
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:38,639
rolls around and they double again

2490
01:36:44,510 --> 01:36:41,280
uh that's a that's a big big jump if

2491
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:44,520
you're going to go from 8 600 to

2492
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:47,520
14 000 sightings

2493
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:50,480
now how do we explain that jump besides

2494
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:50,880
being

2495
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:54,400
such a cool year of 2012. well there was

2496
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:54,880
a

2497
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:00,719
know

2498
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,040
so there was a tendency to be again

2499
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:05,600
leisure time people out there looking up

2500
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:09,360
okay but what's interesting is 2012

2501
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,639
was not the hot year for some states

2502
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:14,480
when you break and actually take a look

2503
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:16,560
at it on an individual state level

2504
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:20,080
2012 was not the hot year 2013 was or

2505
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:21,679
2015 was who

2506
01:37:27,109 --> 01:37:24,880
you know it it isn't always uniform

2507
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,119
olympian everybody into the national

2508
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:29,119
doesn't always tell you what the detail

2509
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:30,800
is in out of state

2510
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:33,360
now uh we're going to break this down

2511
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:34,800
everybody individually

2512
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:38,000
uh by shapes because that that

2513
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:41,600
is one of the most uh interesting things

2514
01:37:44,790 --> 01:37:43,600
uh you can look at you can check it all

2515
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:44,800
out in the book

2516
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:48,239
but from 2014

2517
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,600
cheryl and and i know that you find this

2518
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,920
as interesting as i do all the way to

2519
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:54,960
2018

2520
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:58,000
a very steady decline and we had this

2521
01:38:01,750 --> 01:37:59,600
dip and i remember having peter

2522
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:01,760
davenport on the show and

2523
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:04,080
the media covering you know this this

2524
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,840
decline in sightings that's not

2525
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:07,520
necessarily the case

2526
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:11,199
but your data does show uh going from 14

2527
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,280
000 this peak in 2014 to 2018 five years

2528
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:20,400
uh it dropped as low as uh uh just under

2529
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,800
seven

2530
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,880
thousand in two thousand about thirty

2531
01:38:26,669 --> 01:38:24,320
about thirty percent a year

2532
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,679
yeah yeah until bottom bottomed out in

2533
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:28,239
2017

2534
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:33,760
and then i if in 2018 i saw a slight

2535
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,040
tick upwards with mufon data ever so

2536
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:39,360
slightly if you did the line chart and

2537
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:40,719
that's something i didn't publish

2538
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,880
and i saw a line chart so that's when i

2539
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,719
told everybody is guys it's going to

2540
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:46,400
come back over the next two years trust

2541
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,280
me you know

2542
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:50,560
and nobody believed me so and and it did

2543
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:53,760
uh 2019 and 2020 a

2544
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:57,199
radical jump uh from

2545
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:00,800
6900 in 2018 to almost 10

2546
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:03,840
000 in 2019 and 11

2547
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,199
over 11 000 in 2020.

2548
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:09,679
this year since 2012. yeah yeah

2549
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:10,320
incredible

2550
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,520
early in the year it looked like it was

2551
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,920
going to be the best year since 2014 but

2552
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:15,760
it fell off a little bit and that was

2553
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:17,280
partly impacted by the

2554
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,440
i believe that we did have some covet

2555
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:21,360
impact in the negative sense

2556
01:39:26,229 --> 01:39:24,400
okay now one of the most

2557
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,239
interesting charts and they're all

2558
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:28,320
interesting if you just take the

2559
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:30,880
take a minute to see how uh this data

2560
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:31,760
can be

2561
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:34,880
extrapolated and and laid out

2562
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:38,800
uh but what is the 24

2563
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:43,520
hour chart uh from 2001 to 2020

2564
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:46,159
the breakdown of what time of the day

2565
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:47,520
and where the sightings

2566
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:50,960
are at explain this to everybody explain

2567
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:53,440
it to me like i'm five years old

2568
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,520
because this is a great chart but i want

2569
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:57,280
everybody to understand exactly what

2570
01:40:01,830 --> 01:39:58,560
we're talking about

2571
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:01,840
okay what this was was we

2572
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:04,880
built an algorithm that would round out

2573
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:07,520
whatever the hourly

2574
01:40:11,189 --> 01:40:09,600
time for each sighting was and so the

2575
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:11,199
whole database had

2576
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,040
uh had a thing in there for its hours so

2577
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:15,280
you and we did it military time so it

2578
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:15,920
was

2579
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,560
have one o'clock two o'clock three

2580
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,239
o'clock all the way all the way

2581
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:24,960
through the day um again military time

2582
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,520
so

2583
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,560
afternoon it becomes 13 o'clock 14

2584
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:29,920
o'clock that kind of thing

2585
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,239
and it goes all the way up and what we

2586
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,080
discovered was

2587
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:36,880
between 4 4 30 in the afternoon until 11

2588
01:40:41,109 --> 01:40:37,600
30

2589
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:41,119
uh represented about 75 of the sightings

2590
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:42,639
of a single day

2591
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,480
um and and probably the bulk of that was

2592
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:48,000
occurring between

2593
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:50,000
8 30 at night and 10 30 at night

2594
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,000
essentially civil bedtime

2595
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,880
so for so to speak and then it falls off

2596
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,239
radically after about

2597
01:40:59,590 --> 01:40:58,560
uh after about 11 30 midnight one

2598
01:41:02,870 --> 01:40:59,600
o'clock in the morning

2599
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:02,880
and as it steeps down there's some funny

2600
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,080
bumps

2601
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,719
typically there's a bump around about 4

2602
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:08,960
30 5 o'clock 6 o'clock in the morning

2603
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:11,360
okay if you go to las vegas there's a

2604
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:13,360
bump at 1 o'clock 2 o'clock and 4

2605
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,639
o'clock i had a

2606
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,639
vegas investigator looking at oh that's

2607
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,639
when the clubs and shows let out

2608
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:21,040
okay again lose your time right right

2609
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:21,840
right and then

2610
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:23,840
so the rest of the day is a list of the

2611
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,960
days from midnight

2612
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:26,880
to about four o'clock in the afternoon

2613
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,719
only represents about 25

2614
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,480
of the sightings throughout the day and

2615
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:32,480
you can see a lot of human activity type

2616
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:33,280
things because

2617
01:41:36,709 --> 01:41:35,440
there's a serious dip between seven and

2618
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:36,719
nine o'clock in the morning

2619
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,159
that's morning drive time who's going to

2620
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:40,159
report you

2621
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:42,000
right right right but how do you explain

2622
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:43,440
this 5 a.m

2623
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:46,719
bump okay now okay initially

2624
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:50,080
we explained the 5am bump is that for uh

2625
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,880
going out and cleaning off the car uh or

2626
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:54,239
you know if it's like winter weather

2627
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,080
that type of thing uh going out taking

2628
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,600
the dog for a walk going out for that

2629
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,199
first smoke with the dog you know that

2630
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,280
kind of thing

2631
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:03,119
we had a bump at three o'clock in the

2632
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,400
morning in arkansas

2633
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:06,080
i was giving a presentation at the

2634
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:07,520
ozarks presentation

2635
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:08,800
and i couldn't explain what that three

2636
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:11,119
o'clock one was i had 12 guys come up to

2637
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,960
me afterwards and said we're all chicken

2638
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:14,560
farmers and that's when we prep our

2639
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:17,440
birds to go to market

2640
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:20,400
that explains a lot okay but but okay

2641
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:20,880
now

2642
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,080
that was the easy answer i found out

2643
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:26,960
working on this book i started noticing

2644
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,600
if you look at the hourly shapes

2645
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:31,520
with the shapes the hours pattern with

2646
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,280
the individual shapes

2647
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:35,679
you start seeing some funny spiking down

2648
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,400
around that

2649
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:38,480
four to six o'clock in the morning time

2650
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,080
frame well i started looking at

2651
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:42,320
individual shapes and started noticing

2652
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:43,360
that some

2653
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:47,119
shapes peak at that hour

2654
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,600
and we're going to get to that it is so

2655
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,880
interesting when you see it

2656
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:53,199
go to some states it only appears like

2657
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:54,400
that in some states

2658
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:56,560
yeah yeah it's crazy it's crazy it's so

2659
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:57,440
interesting

2660
01:43:00,790 --> 01:43:00,000
now staying on this 24 hour it's so

2661
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:00,800
smooth

2662
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:04,239
uh between 7 a.m and uh

2663
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:07,920
and it it there isn't anything radical

2664
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:10,080
but it's almost the magic of that hourly

2665
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:11,600
chart is yes

2666
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:14,560
all the naysayers all the all the other

2667
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,440
all the uh

2668
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,760
neil geist tyson kind of guys all saying

2669
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:19,760
oh this is all these ufo settings by the

2670
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,639
civilians

2671
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,119
um they're unreliable it's all white

2672
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:24,880
noise if it was all white noise this

2673
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:26,719
would all be white noise

2674
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,000
this is a consistent pattern

2675
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,880
every state every shape very smooth it's

2676
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:34,239
very smooth

2677
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:37,920
and uh the increase uh you know the peak

2678
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,960
i would

2679
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,800
not discount this at all being nine

2680
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,560
o'clock in the evening

2681
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:44,560
that absolutely makes sense it's the

2682
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:46,000
smoothness

2683
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,400
of the increase in the peak uh and then

2684
01:43:52,950 --> 01:43:49,920
coming back down

2685
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,960
that just makes perfect

2686
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,800
yeah it does vary from state to state

2687
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,480
some of it happens between

2688
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:58,239
six o'clock and eight o'clock you know

2689
01:44:01,830 --> 01:43:59,679
it moves a little bit

2690
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,840
it gets narrower it gets tighter it

2691
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:03,679
rounds out at the top of some states you

2692
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,080
know

2693
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:06,639
but it's pretty consistent the overall

2694
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:08,320
model is pretty consistent

2695
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:11,679
now let's go to ufo shapes and uh

2696
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:14,960
changing ufos uh and i'm looking at the

2697
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:16,960
clock here we've got so much to cover

2698
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:19,360
we knew we'd run out of time right and

2699
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,239
we're already

2700
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:22,800
ready let's get let me give you one one

2701
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:24,320
tidbit before we go to break

2702
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,800
the tidbit is uh and somebody else was

2703
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:28,320
asking me about this what did you learn

2704
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:29,840
most about the shapes besides these

2705
01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:30,880
hourly patterns

2706
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:35,119
yes they have shapes have seasons

2707
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:38,480
oh some are only in summer summer in the

2708
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:38,880
fall

2709
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:41,199
some peak in the last three months of

2710
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:42,800
the fall going into winter and then fall

2711
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,199
off

2712
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:45,520
somewhere we see mostly in the winter

2713
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,639
it's weird

2714
01:44:50,229 --> 01:44:48,800
you know who knew they had shapes right

2715
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,239
right right right

2716
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:52,960
our seasons rather now in the changing

2717
01:45:01,030 --> 01:44:57,199
ufos chart again this is 2001 to 2020.

2718
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:01,040
uh uh what's the quick definition of a

2719
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:03,440
changing ufo

2720
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:07,119
uh doctor dr lavelle uh a doctor of

2721
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,840
the valley pointed it out he said you

2722
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:11,040
can be looking at it

2723
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,719
and you go to line up your equipment

2724
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,639
then it looks like something else

2725
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,040
now me military type person i'm looking

2726
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,440
at i said wow what a step what a stealth

2727
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:22,000
system you know right one minute you're

2728
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,719
looking at it

2729
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:24,800
maybe it's got some kind of ai computer

2730
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:26,320
in there that has got telepathic

2731
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,239
capability knows we're looking at it and

2732
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:30,239
changes the appearance in our minds or

2733
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:30,880
something

2734
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:32,960
you know but they it changes shape but

2735
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,400
the goofy thing about the

2736
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:37,040
changing shape ufo is it's if you look

2737
01:45:39,910 --> 01:45:37,600
at that

2738
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,920
that line over the one year period it is

2739
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:40,880
almost flat

2740
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:44,080
it is consistent it is as regular as a

2741
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:46,239
scheduled flight

2742
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:49,920
except for three different years

2743
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:54,880
where uh well well we can count 2022 as

2744
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:55,520
well

2745
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:00,080
but 2008 we just went over that 2012

2746
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:04,480
and 2014 spikes in changing ufos the

2747
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:05,520
rest of it

2748
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,880
pretty smooth uh for 20 years yeah

2749
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:10,800
in fact if you notice the numbers there

2750
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:12,000
they average between

2751
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:15,760
on 79 and about 170 and the average

2752
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:18,560
is about 123 a year that's right it's

2753
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:21,600
right there 104 121 107.

2754
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,109
twelve 2848 hundred mostly look at the

2755
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:28,960
monthly chart look how flat that is

2756
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:33,119
flat it's flat it's uh now okay

2757
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:36,639
now let's uh uh the other part to this

2758
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:37,040
though

2759
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,199
if we go to the 24-hour chart for the

2760
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:42,800
changing ufos

2761
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:46,080
you can almost virtually except for uh

2762
01:46:52,830 --> 01:46:49,440
hour 17 which would be one two

2763
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:52,840
three four five o'clock in the afternoon

2764
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:55,679
crazy spike there

2765
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:57,440
but the rest of it you can almost

2766
01:47:02,390 --> 01:46:59,199
overlay uh

2767
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:02,400
the uh all shapes chart

2768
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:05,360
yeah yeah well sometimes the hourly

2769
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:06,560
chart gets a little

2770
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:09,520
rickety because of the smaller number of

2771
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:10,960
sightings remember we only got about

2772
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:12,480
2400 sightings to

2773
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:14,960
have sample points from so sometimes

2774
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:16,239
they get a little rickety

2775
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:18,320
but but notice that what that window

2776
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between three o'clock in the morning and

2777
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eight o'clock in the morning

2778
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:25,040
uh it it jumps up significantly it does

2779
01:47:27,990 --> 01:47:26,480
that's one of those examples i was

2780
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:28,000
telling you about that there's something

2781
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,639
going on

2782
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at that hour of the morning it could be

2783
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dog walking smoke break i'm i'm with you

2784
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:34,320
on that

2785
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,719
yeah there's also when you look at texas

2786
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:39,040
it's uh there's an awful lot of industry

2787
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:41,199
that has people outside with you know

2788
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,639
cattle and things like this

2789
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:44,560
and it does something very similar with

2790
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:45,679
other shapes

2791
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:47,360
but you have to look at texas to get

2792
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:48,880
that kind of consistency

2793
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:52,000
now i've got one minute um go ahead uh

2794
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:55,920
cone-shaped ufos um describe a

2795
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:56,960
cone-shaped

2796
01:48:02,709 --> 01:48:00,080
ufo to me it's cone it's cone

2797
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:02,719
ice cream cone trying yeah kind of like

2798
01:48:06,629 --> 01:48:04,480
a pointed ice cream cone

2799
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,639
pointed ice cream cone and if you notice

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2008 there was a rocket launch

2801
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on the east coast off out of the

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chicateak

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base down in southern maryland virginia

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area

2805
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,880
and there was a rocket launch and half

2806
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:20,320
the east coast saw it you know

2807
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:23,199
and it was described as a cone shape so

2808
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:25,679
that's why we have this uh

2809
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,960
108 number yeah

2810
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:31,040
and most of it most of it was reported

2811
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in the national ufo

2812
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reporting center and they realized it

2813
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:35,600
was a rocket launch in fact if you

2814
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:36,480
google

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01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:39,760
uh a 2009

2816
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,199
cone-shaped ufo you can probably find

2817
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,119
tons of things saying all rocket launch

2818
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:47,199
you know there was one in california

2819
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:47,920
it's one of uh

2820
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:50,480
one of the falcon rockets yeah i saw

2821
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:51,520
that yeah i shot

2822
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,639
video of that um still

2823
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:56,159
i've got to take a break right here

2824
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:58,239
cheryl but that day i remember jumping

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01:49:02,950 --> 01:48:59,520
out of the car

2826
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:02,960
and looking and thinking to myself here

2827
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:06,719
we go but then i saw the the

2828
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:09,119
the different stages separate and i just

2829
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kind of wiped

2830
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:12,239
my brow but it stayed up there for quite

2831
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:14,000
a while and all the traffic pulling

2832
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over and people jumping out of their

2833
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cars and it was a

2834
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:19,440
pretty incredible but it was an

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independence day

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let's take our break right here our

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well there's a couple of editions and

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and uh i want to get to the next chart

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cheryl if we can which

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01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:52,159
i find interesting these two which i

2992
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:52,560
think

2993
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:54,639
are similar for a lot of different

2994
01:55:58,390 --> 01:55:55,760
reasons

2995
01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:58,400
uh but i found something interesting

2996
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:00,880
here i want to go over with you in which

2997
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:04,560
the first one is egg-shaped ufos now

2998
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:07,599
um as soon as i i looked at this

2999
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:11,360
i immediately thought about the tic tac

3000
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,280
and would there be an awareness of

3001
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:17,520
uh tic tac sightings and would that fall

3002
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,679
under egg-shaped ufos

3003
01:56:22,709 --> 01:56:21,840
and then i go and i i look at the data

3004
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:22,719
here

3005
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:26,080
and the new york times article um

3006
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:29,599
was released in december of 2017

3007
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:32,960
and there is a radical jump there

3008
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:35,679
between 2016 and 2017

3009
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:39,119
and it stayed there through 2018

3010
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:42,480
uh egg-shaped ufos a huge

3011
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:45,840
jump now am i making this connection

3012
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:47,760
because it's obvious

3013
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:50,639
uh what do you think okay i've listened

3014
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:52,800
to a couple of the pilots describe these

3015
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:53,280
things

3016
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,320
um the tic tac um

3017
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,159
more i've had them describe it it's

3018
01:57:01,830 --> 01:57:00,000
about 40 feet long

3019
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:01,840
and it's it's sort of shaped like a

3020
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:03,840
butane tank

3021
01:57:10,149 --> 01:57:07,119
you know and and so when i heard that

3022
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:10,159
um i didn't think egg i was thinking

3023
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:13,679
the rectangles to be honest with you

3024
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:16,719
but we have this jump right

3025
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:20,560
2016 to 2017 going from 60 and 80

3026
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:22,080
sightings a year

3027
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:26,400
uh doubling to 128.

3028
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:28,480
yeah remember i told you the egg shape

3029
01:57:31,030 --> 01:57:30,560
uh seems to show up when the saturn

3030
01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:31,040
shapes

3031
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:33,280
show up yes and and we think that the

3032
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:35,199
egg shape is a utility ship

3033
01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:38,080
kind of like a little scout ship and

3034
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:38,480
that's

3035
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:41,760
consistent with like

3036
01:57:45,669 --> 01:57:44,080
an aircraft carrier it's a saturn shape

3037
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:45,679
and these are the little helicopters

3038
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:46,960
that go off and do little

3039
01:57:51,030 --> 01:57:48,960
little um observation missions and

3040
01:57:52,070 --> 01:57:51,040
things like this now we'll get to uh the

3041
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:52,080
saturn shape

3042
01:57:55,669 --> 01:57:55,040
which is very interesting in just a

3043
01:57:59,109 --> 01:57:55,679
second

3044
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:59,119
um uh now let's let's talk about you

3045
01:58:04,470 --> 01:57:59,920
know again

3046
01:58:07,589 --> 01:58:04,480
we we keep going back to 2008 right 2012

3047
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:07,599
uh 2014 we're seeing the same

3048
01:58:11,669 --> 01:58:09,840
commonalities those were peak years in

3049
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:11,679
almost all categories there right

3050
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:14,000
2008 had a lot of stuff going on a lot

3051
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:14,719
of people don't

3052
01:58:19,030 --> 01:58:17,360
in fact there's like one state has these

3053
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,040
tiny little numbers throughout the year

3054
01:58:24,629 --> 01:58:21,360
but 2008 was almost off the chart in

3055
01:58:26,790 --> 01:58:24,639
in a couple of states it's weird and

3056
01:58:28,629 --> 01:58:26,800
uh when we look at the monthly chart

3057
01:58:31,830 --> 01:58:28,639
which we haven't talked about

3058
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:31,840
yet tonight but the monthly chart here

3059
01:58:34,629 --> 01:58:32,400
does

3060
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:34,639
need to be mentioned because the monthly

3061
01:58:39,430 --> 01:58:35,520
chart

3062
01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:39,440
over 20 years is pretty dang flat

3063
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:43,360
except for july right yeah what

3064
01:58:48,149 --> 01:58:47,840
and you're looking at so much data here

3065
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:48,159
why

3066
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:53,920
obvious peak and it turns this into a

3067
01:58:59,109 --> 01:58:55,520
bell curve almost

3068
01:59:01,109 --> 01:58:59,119
it is so high up in july well i don't

3069
01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:01,119
see that's that's always puzzled me now

3070
01:59:07,350 --> 01:59:03,840
i've had some people look at the july

3071
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:07,360
july hits on a bigger scale if you print

3072
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:07,679
out

3073
01:59:12,470 --> 01:59:10,560
a daily chart for any state or for the

3074
01:59:15,189 --> 01:59:12,480
united states

3075
01:59:17,109 --> 01:59:15,199
for any year july 4th goes through the

3076
01:59:19,270 --> 01:59:17,119
roof and of course you would say hey

3077
01:59:20,709 --> 01:59:19,280
there's maybe it's all misidentification

3078
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:20,719
it's on the fourth of july

3079
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:23,440
okay fireworks that kind of thing right

3080
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:23,840
but

3081
01:59:29,510 --> 01:59:26,880
um i have been at fireworks displays

3082
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:29,520
after the fireworks display was done

3083
01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:30,960
then a baseball game

3084
01:59:35,589 --> 01:59:34,000
we uh baseball team we go and support uh

3085
01:59:36,629 --> 01:59:35,599
we watched the fireworks after the

3086
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:36,639
doubleheader

3087
01:59:40,229 --> 01:59:38,480
and we let everybody go out there and

3088
01:59:42,149 --> 01:59:40,239
get into traffic we figured we'll just

3089
01:59:44,709 --> 01:59:42,159
sit here and wait till traffic kind of

3090
01:59:46,629 --> 01:59:44,719
shakes out a little bit finish our beers

3091
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:46,639
and uh

3092
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:49,440
we looked up and linda said look at that

3093
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,960
now remember there's no fireworks going

3094
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:52,080
on at this point

3095
01:59:56,709 --> 01:59:55,199
okay there's two fireballs parked up

3096
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:56,719
there

3097
02:00:02,070 --> 01:59:59,920
okay and then they both went gone

3098
02:00:03,910 --> 02:00:02,080
okay uh and we've seen this sort of

3099
02:00:05,109 --> 02:00:03,920
thing uh we've heard other stories of

3100
02:00:07,030 --> 02:00:05,119
people saying

3101
02:00:09,990 --> 02:00:07,040
those guys like to come down and watch

3102
02:00:12,310 --> 02:00:10,000
her fire works

3103
02:00:13,430 --> 02:00:12,320
that's actually pretty interesting right

3104
02:00:15,189 --> 02:00:13,440
there

3105
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:15,199
remember they're studying us i i see

3106
02:00:19,910 --> 02:00:17,360
there's like an anthropology side of it

3107
02:00:21,990 --> 02:00:19,920
you know study our human activity

3108
02:00:23,830 --> 02:00:22,000
well look if i'm cruising around in my

3109
02:00:26,149 --> 02:00:23,840
little starship and i'm looking out the

3110
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:26,159
window and i see what's going on

3111
02:00:31,669 --> 02:00:29,520
uh not necessarily new year's right or

3112
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:31,679
the fourth of july but after a baseball

3113
02:00:36,149 --> 02:00:33,920
game i'm gonna go check that out

3114
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:36,159
sure why not you you mentioned a good

3115
02:00:39,990 --> 02:00:37,599
thing new year's

3116
02:00:41,510 --> 02:00:40,000
okay i didn't understand how come

3117
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:41,520
southern states had

3118
02:00:46,070 --> 02:00:44,560
january and december 30 january 1st and

3119
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:46,080
december 31st

3120
02:00:51,430 --> 02:00:49,440
spikes in inciting reports well

3121
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:51,440
some people from down south reached out

3122
02:00:55,350 --> 02:00:52,800
to me again as my

3123
02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:55,360
as a columnist and said um in southern

3124
02:01:00,629 --> 02:00:56,639
states we have

3125
02:01:02,550 --> 02:01:00,639
fireworks on the first uh on the um

3126
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:02,560
on new year's eve and then new year's

3127
02:01:06,310 --> 02:01:03,760
day

3128
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:06,320
and it's pretty clockable apparently you

3129
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:07,360
have that

3130
02:01:11,669 --> 02:01:10,000
in california because they have a

3131
02:01:15,510 --> 02:01:11,679
similar pattern

3132
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:15,520
very interesting and now what about uh

3133
02:01:20,950 --> 02:01:18,719
oval ufos and again

3134
02:01:22,070 --> 02:01:20,960
we discussed this earlier but as i look

3135
02:01:25,350 --> 02:01:22,080
at the data here

3136
02:01:29,669 --> 02:01:25,360
again the difference between

3137
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:29,679
oval ufos and egg-shaped is what

3138
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:32,960
significant um it's

3139
02:01:35,990 --> 02:01:35,199
let me doub i have to rotate back and

3140
02:01:37,750 --> 02:01:36,000
forth between the

3141
02:01:39,669 --> 02:01:37,760
two well you'll notice that the egg

3142
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:39,679
shape is very irregular over a number of

3143
02:01:42,709 --> 02:01:40,080
years

3144
02:01:43,109 --> 02:01:42,719
if you notice that all those shapes uh

3145
02:01:50,390 --> 02:01:43,119
ramp

3146
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:50,400
and they round off and peak up in the

3147
02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:54,960
2011 through 2014-15 time frame and then

3148
02:01:59,030 --> 02:01:56,719
they fall off like everybody and they go

3149
02:02:01,990 --> 02:01:59,040
in the toilet around 2018

3150
02:02:02,629 --> 02:02:02,000
and now they're back yeah now they're

3151
02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:02,639
back

3152
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:06,560
and a very smooth except for uh

3153
02:02:10,310 --> 02:02:09,599
if we look at you know 2008 and 2012

3154
02:02:15,109 --> 02:02:10,320
once again

3155
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:15,119
but very smooth uh very steady climb

3156
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:18,719
until 2014 and that steady

3157
02:02:25,750 --> 02:02:22,400
decline to 2018 and then boom

3158
02:02:28,070 --> 02:02:25,760
2019 2020. it's a crazy town

3159
02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:28,080
there's a fall off of about 30 a year

3160
02:02:30,790 --> 02:02:28,960
yeah yeah

3161
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:30,800
very interesting to see this compiled

3162
02:02:34,790 --> 02:02:33,440
like that and then again with uh oval

3163
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:34,800
shape we have that same

3164
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:38,320
uh monthly reference in july the rest of

3165
02:02:42,790 --> 02:02:39,119
the year

3166
02:02:45,990 --> 02:02:42,800
uh very smooth um the same

3167
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:46,000
peaks uh on the 24 hour cycle

3168
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:48,560
we've got that 5 a.m i'm serious a

3169
02:02:54,070 --> 02:02:51,440
minute something's going on at 5 00 a.m

3170
02:02:54,709 --> 02:02:54,080
uh cheryl uh we're doing so we're we're

3171
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:54,719
running some

3172
02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:56,080
uh we're playing with some of the

3173
02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:57,679
reports because we're trying to

3174
02:03:01,910 --> 02:02:59,360
understand what that is

3175
02:03:02,470 --> 02:03:01,920
uh like i said it varies from st that 5

3176
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:02,480
a.m

3177
02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:05,280
varies from state to state in magnitude

3178
02:03:08,070 --> 02:03:06,239
and in with

3179
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:08,080
you know uh does it start at three

3180
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:09,760
o'clock in the morning and go to about 5

3181
02:03:13,830 --> 02:03:12,239
30 6 o'clock or is it just between four

3182
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:13,840
and five you know

3183
02:03:18,070 --> 02:03:16,080
we've seen different patterns there the

3184
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:18,080
western states seem to have a bigger

3185
02:03:23,589 --> 02:03:20,560
peak than do the eastern states you know

3186
02:03:25,589 --> 02:03:23,599
um when we do our shapes book we're

3187
02:03:26,310 --> 02:03:25,599
probably going to do an extensive study

3188
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:26,320
at that point

3189
02:03:29,750 --> 02:03:28,880
now rectangle ufos one of my favorites

3190
02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:29,760
and here

3191
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:32,800
we go um

3192
02:03:35,830 --> 02:03:35,440
this is some of the most revealing data

3193
02:03:39,669 --> 02:03:35,840
yet

3194
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:39,679
and especially when we go to the 24

3195
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:43,360
hour uh times we'll get to that in just

3196
02:03:48,390 --> 02:03:44,480
a second

3197
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:48,400
um 2012 to see that kind of

3198
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:51,520
jump uh with rectangle ufos

3199
02:03:57,229 --> 02:03:55,280
right but steady just steady

3200
02:03:58,870 --> 02:03:57,239
steady all the way down going back to

3201
02:04:02,149 --> 02:03:58,880
2001

3202
02:04:05,350 --> 02:04:02,159
the same jump expected you know 2019

3203
02:04:08,069 --> 02:04:05,360
2020 but again

3204
02:04:10,229 --> 02:04:08,079
what what what is going on uh with this

3205
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:10,239
before we get to the 24 hour cycle

3206
02:04:14,069 --> 02:04:11,119
because

3207
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:14,079
we get to the monthly part of this it is

3208
02:04:16,550 --> 02:04:14,639
different

3209
02:04:18,069 --> 02:04:16,560
from everything else that has been

3210
02:04:20,629 --> 02:04:18,079
presented so far

3211
02:04:21,189 --> 02:04:20,639
something is going on with rectangle ufo

3212
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:21,199
cheryl

3213
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:24,560
yes yes uh one thing to notice every one

3214
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:25,520
of the shapes

3215
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:28,639
february is not an issue february is a

3216
02:04:33,990 --> 02:04:31,520
dip for every single state in the union

3217
02:04:37,270 --> 02:04:34,000
okay july as you can see it's a high

3218
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:37,280
peak but notice it didn't fall off

3219
02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:39,199
it ramps off and holds out through the

3220
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:40,480
fall right

3221
02:04:45,030 --> 02:04:43,199
um so is this something people see more

3222
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:45,040
during the fall leaf season we don't

3223
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:45,920
know but

3224
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:49,040
we all we know is it it it is more this

3225
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:50,639
is one of those seasonal ones where it

3226
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:51,360
starts

3227
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:53,679
in the mid-summer and and holds out

3228
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:55,520
right out until about the end of october

3229
02:04:59,350 --> 02:04:56,960
and then it falls off

3230
02:05:00,470 --> 02:04:59,360
yeah well the first half of the year low

3231
02:05:03,430 --> 02:05:00,480
numbers

3232
02:05:03,910 --> 02:05:03,440
right july and forward there they're

3233
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:03,920
double

3234
02:05:09,430 --> 02:05:07,119
if not uh almost triple than uh the

3235
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:09,440
first six months of the year that is

3236
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:12,480
the exact opposite of of the first three

3237
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,880
or four

3238
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:14,320
shapes that we looked at very

3239
02:05:19,990 --> 02:05:16,320
interesting and then probably

3240
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:20,000
more interesting is the 24

3241
02:05:26,870 --> 02:05:23,440
hour military uh chart here

3242
02:05:30,069 --> 02:05:26,880
because one two three four

3243
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:30,079
five six seven a.m eight a.m

3244
02:05:36,470 --> 02:05:33,440
nine a.m up down up down up down

3245
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:36,480
up down up down where none of this

3246
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:40,560
is in the other charts no it's not

3247
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:43,760
it's really a weird shape and uh

3248
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:46,880
it's that's why i was thinking these

3249
02:05:50,790 --> 02:05:48,719
things were like the tic tacs but

3250
02:05:51,830 --> 02:05:50,800
that's just my own personal opinion

3251
02:05:53,589 --> 02:05:51,840
because because

3252
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:53,599
the like the guy said they look like a

3253
02:05:56,390 --> 02:05:55,599
butane tank and if you look at a tic-tac

3254
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:56,400
for the most part

3255
02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:58,560
it's less an oval and more of a square

3256
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,760
sure you know

3257
02:06:04,149 --> 02:06:02,480
you know square in the sense of like a a

3258
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:04,159
candy bar square type of thing you know

3259
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:05,679
like a like a hershey bar or something

3260
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:06,400
like that

3261
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:08,480
that's what they're describing versus an

3262
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:09,440
oval being

3263
02:06:13,750 --> 02:06:11,840
more more like an egg shape kind of

3264
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:13,760
thing now when you put the data together

3265
02:06:16,470 --> 02:06:15,119
i'm going to stay on this chart for a

3266
02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:16,480
second the rectangular

3267
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:18,960
24-hour chart the numbers are not going

3268
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:19,520
to lie

3269
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:21,520
all you are doing is plugging in the

3270
02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:23,920
numbers and when you see this

3271
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:26,400
between 1 and 2 a.m you know down it

3272
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:27,199
goes to 3

3273
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:30,560
up goes to 4 a.m down goes to 5 a.m back

3274
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:33,760
up 6 down 7 up 8 down

3275
02:06:37,750 --> 02:06:36,960
9 up that's not a coincidence it's not

3276
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:37,760
no it's not

3277
02:06:41,109 --> 02:06:39,440
it's not and the funny thing was we

3278
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:41,119
looked at it from the standpoint of

3279
02:06:44,870 --> 02:06:42,480
when do most people like in an

3280
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:44,880
industrial environment overnight shift

3281
02:06:48,069 --> 02:06:47,119
uh i used to be an off-shift worker and

3282
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:48,079
i was you know

3283
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:50,400
and we had certain break times uh

3284
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:51,280
typically it's

3285
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:54,800
two not three you know and uh

3286
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:56,639
so and and it certainly wouldn't have

3287
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:58,400
one at four so

3288
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:59,760
if there's just you know and you're

3289
02:07:02,069 --> 02:07:01,280
getting out at six you know from the

3290
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:02,079
overnight shift

3291
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:04,079
and the midnight to six shift so it's

3292
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:05,599
it's weird i i

3293
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:08,000
i've not understood it very well that

3294
02:07:12,229 --> 02:07:09,760
that right there doesn't make sense

3295
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:12,239
when you look at the other 24-hour cha i

3296
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:12,880
mean it's

3297
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:15,040
okay yeah so we got a peak at 5 a.m

3298
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:16,639
that's consistent but the rest of it is

3299
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:18,159
nice and level

3300
02:07:22,149 --> 02:07:20,800
uh very smooth and then you get to the

3301
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:22,159
rectangle

3302
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:24,079
and it looks like uh it looks like a

3303
02:07:27,189 --> 02:07:25,599
sawtooth

3304
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:27,199
yeah and it's flat through the day after

3305
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:28,719
eight o'clock at eight o'clock in the

3306
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:30,079
morning it's flat till

3307
02:07:34,870 --> 02:07:32,159
uh until five o'clock at night yeah five

3308
02:07:37,270 --> 02:07:34,880
p.m yeah very crazy that's a

3309
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:37,280
that's a great chart very eye-opening

3310
02:07:45,589 --> 02:07:38,159
now

3311
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:45,599
ufos and uh this may be the most radical

3312
02:07:50,629 --> 02:07:46,159
chart

3313
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:50,639
yet uh put together but saturn like ufos

3314
02:07:54,229 --> 02:07:53,520
right there we need to stop and explain

3315
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:54,239
you brought up

3316
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:56,320
japan airlines over alaska i think

3317
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:58,000
that's a really good comparison which

3318
02:08:02,149 --> 02:08:00,000
was always

3319
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:02,159
described as a walnut right so you've

3320
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:03,119
got this

3321
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:06,840
this extension around uh the

3322
02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:08,239
circumference uh

3323
02:08:13,910 --> 02:08:11,280
an extended size of this

3324
02:08:16,229 --> 02:08:13,920
so help everybody understand this isn't

3325
02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:16,239
a ufo with rings around it

3326
02:08:19,430 --> 02:08:19,119
no no no it looks more like a walnut and

3327
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:19,440
the

3328
02:08:26,069 --> 02:08:25,440
it kind of comes out uh we're considered

3329
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:26,079
to be

3330
02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:29,760
two to three lengths of a 747 and that's

3331
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:30,320
about a

3332
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:33,679
290 foot aircraft so

3333
02:08:37,030 --> 02:08:36,239
it's it's big and all the way across it

3334
02:08:40,470 --> 02:08:37,040
was probably

3335
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:40,480
about of somewhere between 40 300 and 5

3336
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:41,199
000

3337
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:44,320
uh feet wide now and it had all the

3338
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:45,440
agility

3339
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:48,159
of his aircraft he had trouble keeping

3340
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:50,400
out of its way because it had as much or

3341
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:51,920
better agility than he did

3342
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:54,560
still one of my favorite cases of of all

3343
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:56,400
time and one of the most documented

3344
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:58,239
and you know we've got the faa involved

3345
02:09:00,709 --> 02:09:00,000
you know the radar stuff of course the

3346
02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:00,719
uh

3347
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:03,599
the pilot's account of everything but we

3348
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:04,079
have

3349
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:07,440
all of the data that backs up uh

3350
02:09:10,550 --> 02:09:08,880
that sighting it's an incredible

3351
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:10,560
sighting but if you

3352
02:09:17,990 --> 02:09:14,480
now move this over to worldwide

3353
02:09:21,589 --> 02:09:18,000
uh uh sightings and and look at these

3354
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:21,599
numbers japan airlines wasn't the only

3355
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:22,000
time

3356
02:09:26,149 --> 02:09:25,119
something like this was cited and these

3357
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:26,159
numbers are

3358
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:28,719
very very telling there were two

3359
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,760
sightings

3360
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:31,360
not you're not going to expect a

3361
02:09:35,270 --> 02:09:33,119
thousand sightings a day

3362
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:35,280
with something like that but we have two

3363
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:36,960
in 2001

3364
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:41,199
uh 333 and 2002 through 2004

3365
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:45,199
a jump to eight in 2005. there's that

3366
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:46,320
2008 thing

3367
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:49,360
yep yep yep and uh so we're we're right

3368
02:09:54,669 --> 02:09:50,400
there

3369
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:54,679
uh 2007 11 2008

3370
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:00,480
32 it tripled

3371
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:03,760
it's incredible to me incredible and uh

3372
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:06,639
it stayed steady it stayed steady 2000.

3373
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:08,239
relatively a little up and down but

3374
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:10,880
relatively flat from 2008 through about

3375
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:11,760
2005

3376
02:10:18,709 --> 02:10:15,280
and then it took off 2006 2007

3377
02:10:21,510 --> 02:10:18,719
2008 are uh double

3378
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:21,520
uh so we're going from numbers in the 20

3379
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:21,840
mid

3380
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:24,320
20s suddenly jumping up into the into

3381
02:10:27,750 --> 02:10:25,679
the 50s and 60s

3382
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:27,760
yeah well if you if you think about it

3383
02:10:30,790 --> 02:10:28,880
you know two thousand

3384
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,800
sure this is the short chart i showed

3385
02:10:35,430 --> 02:10:32,880
lou alessando that got him upset

3386
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:35,440
right right right right right right well

3387
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:38,400
if you go 2004 there's three

3388
02:10:42,149 --> 02:10:40,880
five years later in 2008 there's 32

3389
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:42,159
that's 10 times

3390
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:45,119
it's a tenfold increase and it stays

3391
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:45,840
steady

3392
02:10:49,669 --> 02:10:49,040
all the way to 2015 where your average

3393
02:10:53,189 --> 02:10:49,679
is

3394
02:10:56,790 --> 02:10:53,199
about 25 per year of a

3395
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:56,800
giant ginormous craft

3396
02:10:59,910 --> 02:10:58,400
yeah and you know it's funny i've had

3397
02:11:01,510 --> 02:10:59,920
people say well you know

3398
02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:01,520
maybe a bunch of people got together on

3399
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:03,119
the internet and faked all this

3400
02:11:10,470 --> 02:11:06,159
i said this data

3401
02:11:13,750 --> 02:11:10,480
is reflecting individual sightings

3402
02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:13,760
most people mufon and newfork don't even

3403
02:11:17,990 --> 02:11:15,440
know these charts because

3404
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:18,000
nobody they don't organize their data

3405
02:11:22,069 --> 02:11:18,800
this way right

3406
02:11:27,189 --> 02:11:22,079
right right right right now uh

3407
02:11:31,109 --> 02:11:27,199
how do you explain uh the very unusual

3408
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:31,119
ginormous increase uh between 2004 and

3409
02:11:34,550 --> 02:11:32,400
2018

3410
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:34,560
because that that goes into serious

3411
02:11:38,709 --> 02:11:36,560
crazy town

3412
02:11:40,069 --> 02:11:38,719
well notice everybody else but if you

3413
02:11:43,109 --> 02:11:40,079
look at everybody else

3414
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:43,119
everybody else was in decline so

3415
02:11:46,790 --> 02:11:46,079
i it's like these guys can you know it's

3416
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:46,800
like the old

3417
02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:49,440
song from west side story you know the

3418
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:52,239
the jets are in town you know

3419
02:11:56,069 --> 02:11:54,320
so it's like these guys came into town

3420
02:11:59,430 --> 02:11:56,079
everybody bugged

3421
02:12:03,109 --> 02:11:59,440
yeah it's fascinating and then

3422
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:03,119
uh we didn't get the jump in 2019 and

3423
02:12:07,270 --> 02:12:04,560
2020.

3424
02:12:09,350 --> 02:12:07,280
it chilled out to where it was uh going

3425
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:09,360
back to 2008.

3426
02:12:13,109 --> 02:12:12,159
and so they they went away and everybody

3427
02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:13,119
else came back

3428
02:12:18,229 --> 02:12:16,320
yeah very interesting very noticeable

3429
02:12:21,030 --> 02:12:18,239
their season happened to be july and

3430
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:21,040
september now let's go to the 24-hour

3431
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:21,440
chart

3432
02:12:25,910 --> 02:12:24,079
on this this doesn't i gotta warn you

3433
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:25,920
the saturn shape only had four

3434
02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:29,360
i see 455 in 20 years so it's going to

3435
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:30,960
be a little jagged because we don't have

3436
02:12:35,270 --> 02:12:32,960
a lot of data points to work with

3437
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:35,280
but again it's it's pretty pretty

3438
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:36,400
telling when you look at it

3439
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:38,480
yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know we can

3440
02:12:42,390 --> 02:12:39,599
always go and

3441
02:12:43,430 --> 02:12:42,400
with confidence you know between eight

3442
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:43,440
nine o'clock and

3443
02:12:46,950 --> 02:12:45,760
and twelve midnight okay that that's

3444
02:12:50,790 --> 02:12:46,960
gonna make sense and

3445
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:50,800
it it does but here daytime sightings

3446
02:12:55,750 --> 02:12:51,920
are outrageous

3447
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:55,760
we've got 3 a.m 5 a.m once again

3448
02:13:02,629 --> 02:12:59,040
uh 10 a.m in the morning 10 a.m very

3449
02:13:05,669 --> 02:13:02,639
oh just very interesting and so uh

3450
02:13:07,750 --> 02:13:05,679
two sightings at 1am and then

3451
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:07,760
two sightings at midnight and then

3452
02:13:12,790 --> 02:13:09,679
everything in between

3453
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:12,800
is uh is it's just interesting

3454
02:13:19,030 --> 02:13:16,000
and this is such a big craft

3455
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:19,040
such a big craft it's uh it's unreal

3456
02:13:22,629 --> 02:13:21,840
okay the goofy part though is is because

3457
02:13:24,310 --> 02:13:22,639
the major

3458
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:24,320
a lot of these sightings are hurt and

3459
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:26,800
these bumps were seen throughout the

3460
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:29,599
the the daytime hours or were actually i

3461
02:13:31,990 --> 02:13:31,119
shouldn't say daytime from one o'clock

3462
02:13:33,990 --> 02:13:32,000
in the morning to

3463
02:13:35,830 --> 02:13:34,000
five o'clock at night there's some

3464
02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:35,840
serious sighting jumps even though

3465
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:37,840
they're small in number

3466
02:13:40,950 --> 02:13:40,159
they're they're significant because the

3467
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,960
valleys are

3468
02:13:44,790 --> 02:13:43,199
only one or two seat one they do season

3469
02:13:45,189 --> 02:13:44,800
the other peaks are like seven eight

3470
02:13:47,510 --> 02:13:45,199
nine

3471
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:47,520
ten and and and they're happening during

3472
02:13:51,270 --> 02:13:48,639
daylight hours

3473
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:51,280
that's very significant that that is and

3474
02:13:57,109 --> 02:13:51,679
uh

3475
02:13:59,669 --> 02:13:57,119
daytime sighting is the holy grail

3476
02:14:00,950 --> 02:13:59,679
right yeah night time nine times but

3477
02:14:04,069 --> 02:14:00,960
here we have these

3478
02:14:06,229 --> 02:14:04,079
uh a very significant amount of these

3479
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:06,239
uh sightings of such a big craft

3480
02:14:09,910 --> 02:14:07,520
happened clearly

3481
02:14:11,350 --> 02:14:09,920
right in the middle of the day one of

3482
02:14:12,390 --> 02:14:11,360
the things that threw me a curve with

3483
02:14:14,709 --> 02:14:12,400
this

3484
02:14:16,709 --> 02:14:14,719
every other shape has a serious dip in

3485
02:14:19,750 --> 02:14:16,719
february notice it's flat

3486
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:19,760
january february march april we get a

3487
02:14:24,550 --> 02:14:21,840
seasonal jump in june july

3488
02:14:27,750 --> 02:14:24,560
august jumps again in september and then

3489
02:14:31,189 --> 02:14:27,760
it bottoms out in november

3490
02:14:33,830 --> 02:14:31,199
who knew i love looking at i'm such a

3491
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:33,840
black and white guy and you see

3492
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:36,239
uh see everything presented like this

3493
02:14:41,350 --> 02:14:38,320
it's it's so much fun

3494
02:14:44,470 --> 02:14:41,360
so much fun now sphere ufos now this

3495
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:44,480
is uh what i personally have seen the

3496
02:14:49,510 --> 02:14:46,560
most of oh you don't have a beer can

3497
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:49,520
ufo category um i think you're gonna

3498
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:50,480
have to add that

3499
02:14:54,149 --> 02:14:51,760
that's in the cylinder that's in the

3500
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:54,159
cylinder okay that's in the cylinders uh

3501
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:56,639
sphere okay sphere ufo okay a couple of

3502
02:15:01,830 --> 02:14:58,239
weeks ago we had the um

3503
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:01,840
the uh the thing with the uh uss omaha

3504
02:15:05,189 --> 02:15:04,320
okay had the sphere ufo from 2019 that

3505
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:05,199
picture of it

3506
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:06,880
and i had a reporter call me up from out

3507
02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:08,400
west someplace and said

3508
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:10,800
hey our sphere ufos something i said

3509
02:15:16,149 --> 02:15:12,800
yeah it's the number three

3510
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:16,159
silhouette that's reported and we had

3511
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:17,679
like 17

3512
02:15:22,870 --> 02:15:19,840
500 of them in 20 years the guy about

3513
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:22,880
fell off his chair

3514
02:15:26,709 --> 02:15:25,280
and it's it's what i've seen uh the most

3515
02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:26,719
i've had hundreds of

3516
02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,440
of these sightings and clearly the

3517
02:15:34,870 --> 02:15:31,679
numbers represent this too as well

3518
02:15:38,629 --> 02:15:34,880
this is a a big chunk of the data

3519
02:15:40,870 --> 02:15:38,639
um but i it this is a smoother chart

3520
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:40,880
except for july but everything else it's

3521
02:15:44,950 --> 02:15:42,480
a smoother chart

3522
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:44,960
than everything else it's just smooth as

3523
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:45,599
class

3524
02:15:52,390 --> 02:15:49,040
all times of the day same peaks but

3525
02:15:56,790 --> 02:15:52,400
nothing radical it is just very very

3526
02:15:58,870 --> 02:15:56,800
consistent um even from 2001 to 2020

3527
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,880
there isn't anything really radical here

3528
02:16:01,589 --> 02:16:00,560
we have a steady rise and a steady

3529
02:16:04,149 --> 02:16:01,599
decline

3530
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:04,159
but nothing extreme cheryl how do you

3531
02:16:09,189 --> 02:16:05,520
explain that

3532
02:16:09,990 --> 02:16:09,199
i don't um to some degree i think it's

3533
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,000
because we have

3534
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:12,400
so many sightings to work with there the

3535
02:16:17,510 --> 02:16:15,360
real number is 17113

3536
02:16:19,669 --> 02:16:17,520
so we've got a lot of data points that

3537
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:19,679
allows things to kind of even out a

3538
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:20,639
little bit

3539
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:24,320
yeah yeah very very very smooth

3540
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:27,119
uh again a big chunk of daytime

3541
02:16:31,910 --> 02:16:29,760
sightings here i mean that's a lot

3542
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:31,920
but notice the window the window in the

3543
02:16:35,429 --> 02:16:34,000
evening though it's narrower

3544
02:16:37,910 --> 02:16:35,439
yeah yeah oh you're talking about

3545
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:37,920
between uh yeah now it's more like a 10

3546
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:41,200
11 uh

3547
02:16:44,950 --> 02:16:43,599
it's it's between about uh seven o'clock

3548
02:16:48,629 --> 02:16:44,960
at night and about

3549
02:16:52,150 --> 02:16:48,639
in about 11. yeah yeah

3550
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:52,160
very sharp uh rise yeah and decline

3551
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:56,000
very sharp price now uh teardrop ufos

3552
02:17:01,270 --> 02:16:59,359
and some would say that this could fall

3553
02:17:04,870 --> 02:17:01,280
into a cone category

3554
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:04,880
and possibly even a triangle category

3555
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:07,920
how do you separate it

3556
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:10,880
uh me personally i've i've looked at it

3557
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:11,280
as

3558
02:17:17,349 --> 02:17:15,439
the fridge it's a

3559
02:17:19,589 --> 02:17:17,359
blunt blunt round on one end and it

3560
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:19,599
tapers off to the back

3561
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:22,880
uh and versus a triangle which would be

3562
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:25,760
uh pointed towards the front and more in

3563
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:27,200
larger in the back

3564
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:31,200
um that that's the way i interpreted it

3565
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:34,240
um again when you if you plot it on a

3566
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:34,719
chart

3567
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:37,679
with uh with the saturn in the egg shape

3568
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:38,000
uh

3569
02:17:43,509 --> 02:17:41,040
you see the free you see where it's

3570
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:43,519
following the saturn shape but in higher

3571
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:44,160
numbers

3572
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:45,920
right right to show a higher degree of

3573
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:47,599
activity yes yes

3574
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:50,240
yes and and how do you explain i've got

3575
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:52,240
60 seconds before the break

3576
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:55,280
go ahead uh why don't tear drop ufos

3577
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:58,319
like the month of august right

3578
02:18:03,110 --> 02:18:01,040
that's just a crazy drop off but

3579
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:03,120
remember the saturn shape had a peak

3580
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:05,359
in july and in september so it's just

3581
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:06,559
following the same peak as

3582
02:18:10,709 --> 02:18:08,960
saturn let me let me go let me go back

3583
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:10,719
ah

3584
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:19,920
interesting

3585
02:18:23,429 --> 02:18:22,559
okay we've got triangle ufos coming up

3586
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:23,439
after the break

3587
02:18:27,349 --> 02:18:24,880
and then i'm going to spend a little

3588
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:27,359
time on this but there's uh

3589
02:18:33,669 --> 02:18:30,559
another uh part to all of this uh

3590
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:33,679
cheryl that i want to get to which is uh

3591
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:34,800
we're gonna go back

3592
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:38,399
to page four and we're going to go to

3593
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:42,559
the year and th our our cyclical

3594
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:45,679
numbers that are every uh six to eight

3595
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:46,160
years

3596
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:48,639
and we'll do all of that next probably

3597
02:18:53,110 --> 02:18:50,479
one of the most revealing things in

3598
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:53,120
all of this data and i can't explain it

3599
02:18:55,349 --> 02:18:54,800
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

3600
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cheryl costa is here cheryl

3687
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:14,560
cheryl gave me the warning this uh this

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02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:15,840
happens jimmy we're not gonna have

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enough time

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i'm here i said good one of my favorite

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cheryl is uh plain and simple a

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documentary

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know

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02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:31,280
non-fiction books data learning

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02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:34,720
history that's exactly what we have here

3697
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:37,359
this is just an incredible incredible

3698
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:39,280
uh compilation of data and the way that

3699
02:23:42,389 --> 02:23:41,600
you put it together pragmatic it makes

3700
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:42,399
sense

3701
02:23:46,150 --> 02:23:44,960
but it's also very telling and very

3702
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:46,160
revealing

3703
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:49,439
and uh going to these uh first two uh

3704
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:52,479
charts that you presented to me today uh

3705
02:23:55,190 --> 02:23:54,640
the first one being 40 years of ufo

3706
02:24:01,830 --> 02:23:55,200
sighting

3707
02:24:05,110 --> 02:24:01,840
uh combined data from new fork and mufon

3708
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:05,120
and then the second chart is

3709
02:24:10,790 --> 02:24:08,240
60 years um

3710
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:10,800
now the first thing that stands out and

3711
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:12,960
you can clearly see it

3712
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:15,120
before we get to the 60-year chart and

3713
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:16,800
talk about the phenomena that happened

3714
02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:17,120
in

3715
02:24:24,790 --> 02:24:20,560
2001 but the 40-year chart

3716
02:24:28,630 --> 02:24:24,800
you can see a very obvious

3717
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:28,640
cyclical siding pattern here

3718
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:30,160
now i know that you've thought about

3719
02:24:34,710 --> 02:24:32,399
this an awful lot uh

3720
02:24:36,710 --> 02:24:34,720
what can we deduce from this kind of

3721
02:24:39,990 --> 02:24:36,720
cycle

3722
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:40,000
well i i've looked at this thing a

3723
02:24:44,710 --> 02:24:41,600
couple of different ways we did some

3724
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:44,720
research on it and again there seems to

3725
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:45,520
be this

3726
02:24:49,750 --> 02:24:49,120
this two things the obvious thing is is

3727
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:49,760
that there's

3728
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:51,760
there's a sort of a generational

3729
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:53,920
interest thing going on every six seven

3730
02:24:56,469 --> 02:24:54,399
years

3731
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:56,479
okay remember i said earlier in the

3732
02:25:01,110 --> 02:24:58,880
program uh disney used to bring out

3733
02:25:01,910 --> 02:25:01,120
it's it's classic movies every seven

3734
02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:01,920
years

3735
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:05,120
you know right uh so a new audience of

3736
02:25:08,309 --> 02:25:07,680
kids coming up get to see it you know

3737
02:25:10,710 --> 02:25:08,319
and uh

3738
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:10,720
until until such times we got dvds and

3739
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:11,680
all that kind of stuff

3740
02:25:15,830 --> 02:25:14,080
but even there they've they've taken

3741
02:25:18,389 --> 02:25:15,840
some of them back into the vault

3742
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:18,399
and uh they won't bring them out for a

3743
02:25:21,830 --> 02:25:19,680
few years and then they'll have some

3744
02:25:24,389 --> 02:25:21,840
kind of jubilee edition or something

3745
02:25:25,670 --> 02:25:24,399
so there's some of that and so we seem

3746
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:25,680
to think that there

3747
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:27,600
there's just interest and that's the

3748
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:29,760
easy one uh the other one

3749
02:25:36,790 --> 02:25:33,120
seems to be uh

3750
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:36,800
uh i i struggle with this the

3751
02:25:43,910 --> 02:25:40,479
that there is some type of pattern

3752
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:43,920
with the ufos themselves okay

3753
02:25:49,990 --> 02:25:47,760
of just not being present uh

3754
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:50,000
we we joke about it in this household

3755
02:25:52,389 --> 02:25:51,920
maybe they have to go back and get

3756
02:25:54,550 --> 02:25:52,399
funded

3757
02:25:56,150 --> 02:25:54,560
they have to go back and get funding for

3758
02:25:57,590 --> 02:25:56,160
their research here or something like

3759
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:57,600
this you know

3760
02:26:01,590 --> 02:25:59,920
we don't we don't know but but it's

3761
02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:01,600
awfully strange that this is a

3762
02:26:04,950 --> 02:26:03,280
repeatable pattern and again i have

3763
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,960
these skeptics come to me oh it's all

3764
02:26:09,670 --> 02:26:06,880
random stuff not when you show

3765
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:09,680
that that's not random no no no no baby

3766
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:11,600
it's not you know you got 13

3767
02:26:17,110 --> 02:26:15,120
000. you got 13 000 combined sightings

3768
02:26:21,429 --> 02:26:17,120
that's a lot of data points

3769
02:26:23,670 --> 02:26:21,439
well 13 000 for the sick 1960 to 2000

3770
02:26:27,670 --> 02:26:23,680
and then we added it in with the

3771
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:27,680
uh 167 000 that gives us over 80

3772
02:26:32,230 --> 02:26:30,720
000 and you see a 60-year

3773
02:26:33,750 --> 02:26:32,240
cycle there going but a little the

3774
02:26:34,550 --> 02:26:33,760
little little snake going across the

3775
02:26:37,270 --> 02:26:34,560
garden

3776
02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:37,280
yard and then it goes into the 2000s and

3777
02:26:41,910 --> 02:26:38,080
it

3778
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:41,920
can

3779
02:26:49,349 --> 02:26:46,160
clearly see it now you bring up uh

3780
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:49,359
if we you know if we bring up some

3781
02:26:56,469 --> 02:26:52,399
seminal science fiction films right

3782
02:27:01,670 --> 02:26:56,479
let's just 1968 2001 a space odyssey

3783
02:27:06,389 --> 02:27:03,030
it's it's a peak here it's right there

3784
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:06,399
cheryl you might be right 1977

3785
02:27:12,550 --> 02:27:09,760
uh 78 star wars right

3786
02:27:13,750 --> 02:27:12,560
yep well there it is but uh encounters

3787
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:13,760
the third kind should be in there

3788
02:27:17,030 --> 02:27:14,800
someplace yeah

3789
02:27:18,309 --> 02:27:17,040
77 something like that well and look at

3790
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:18,319
the dip

3791
02:27:22,389 --> 02:27:21,200
uh for 1984 empire strikes back because

3792
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:22,399
that movie kind of sucked

3793
02:27:26,550 --> 02:27:25,359
so that was a no i'm kidding i'm kidding

3794
02:27:30,550 --> 02:27:26,560
kidding everybody

3795
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:30,560
but yeah so but the cycle um

3796
02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:33,439
the pekin valley is there it's smooth up

3797
02:27:36,469 --> 02:27:33,840
and

3798
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:36,479
smooth down the data points are

3799
02:27:41,030 --> 02:27:38,560
indicating the trend

3800
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:41,040
and and i'm not sure what it is but it's

3801
02:27:45,349 --> 02:27:41,760
just an

3802
02:27:49,270 --> 02:27:45,359
obvious up down up down up down up down

3803
02:27:51,990 --> 02:27:49,280
all the way through uh to 2020. now

3804
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:52,000
let's go to the 60-year cycle before we

3805
02:27:55,990 --> 02:27:54,399
get to 2001 because that's an obvious

3806
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:56,000
thing and everybody's gonna

3807
02:27:59,590 --> 02:27:58,160
look at that and say holy crap what went

3808
02:28:02,230 --> 02:27:59,600
on but if you

3809
02:28:03,270 --> 02:28:02,240
look and it and you go back before that

3810
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:03,280
and you look at

3811
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:06,880
uh uh the 60 or you can still

3812
02:28:10,630 --> 02:28:09,600
see even though the reporting numbers

3813
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:10,640
are low

3814
02:28:14,230 --> 02:28:12,640
you've got the same up down up down

3815
02:28:17,270 --> 02:28:14,240
serpent pattern

3816
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:17,280
uh clearly represented there it's it's

3817
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:18,960
obvious

3818
02:28:21,990 --> 02:28:21,040
yeah and now i've had people try to tell

3819
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:22,000
me that

3820
02:28:26,469 --> 02:28:24,720
the pattern isn't there from 2001 to

3821
02:28:28,309 --> 02:28:26,479
about 2008

3822
02:28:29,510 --> 02:28:28,319
if you really stand back from it

3823
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:29,520
remember we had an

3824
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:32,560
increase of people reporting because of

3825
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:34,960
more people getting on broadband but if

3826
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:36,800
you actually stand back and look at it

3827
02:28:41,990 --> 02:28:38,560
you can actually see a bump

3828
02:28:43,030 --> 02:28:42,000
and a bump you know so it it it was it's

3829
02:28:45,270 --> 02:28:43,040
there

3830
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:45,280
it's just clearly hard to see and when

3831
02:28:48,630 --> 02:28:46,640
you actually print it out

3832
02:28:50,309 --> 02:28:48,640
with a line chart instead of a bar chart

3833
02:28:53,990 --> 02:28:50,319
it's really obvious

3834
02:28:56,790 --> 02:28:54,000
now uh i know you say

3835
02:28:58,550 --> 02:28:56,800
broadband and broadband has has to have

3836
02:29:02,309 --> 02:28:58,560
something to do with it

3837
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:02,319
um and and and websites became

3838
02:29:08,950 --> 02:29:05,359
uh easier to create and

3839
02:29:11,830 --> 02:29:08,960
and the web itself was more accessible

3840
02:29:13,750 --> 02:29:11,840
but the web was there in 1995. you know

3841
02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:13,760
yes i know okay well let me i can talk

3842
02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:14,560
to that

3843
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:18,080
um the reportings prior to about

3844
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:21,120
early 80s was pretty much faxes

3845
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:23,040
calling into you saw somebody on the

3846
02:29:26,309 --> 02:29:24,960
news hey this guy out in ohio is

3847
02:29:28,070 --> 02:29:26,319
collecting sightings you know

3848
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:28,080
and and people start calling him into

3849
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:29,840
his answering machine sending them facts

3850
02:29:33,190 --> 02:29:31,280
sending him news clippings

3851
02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:33,200
but remember after 68 after the

3852
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:34,960
continent report newspapers stop

3853
02:29:40,550 --> 02:29:38,160
reporting ufo sightings so

3854
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:40,560
that was an impact but about by about

3855
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:42,240
the middle 80s we were on

3856
02:29:48,870 --> 02:29:45,760
compuserve aol yeah

3857
02:29:52,309 --> 02:29:48,880
1990 to 1995. yeah

3858
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:52,319
yeah i i was on i was on in the mid 80s

3859
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:55,359
okay so the deal is is as that

3860
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:58,160
that helped people report stuff to some

3861
02:30:01,750 --> 02:29:58,720
degree

3862
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:01,760
and then as we got up to uh started

3863
02:30:06,469 --> 02:30:03,359
getting off dial up in the mid

3864
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:06,479
in the mid 1990s type of thing

3865
02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:09,920
and people started and it was happening

3866
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:11,200
to this databases

3867
02:30:17,190 --> 02:30:14,160
so they put interfaces in in the early

3868
02:30:19,349 --> 02:30:17,200
2000s around 2004 for both of them

3869
02:30:21,670 --> 02:30:19,359
one year one one year or the other but

3870
02:30:22,230 --> 02:30:21,680
basically once they put web interfaces

3871
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:22,240
in

3872
02:30:31,349 --> 02:30:27,120
established ufo community

3873
02:30:34,550 --> 02:30:31,359
as soon as somebody did a television

3874
02:30:38,309 --> 02:30:34,560
a program about mufon 2008 boom

3875
02:30:41,429 --> 02:30:38,319
uh uh is shot up and we see this

3876
02:30:44,309 --> 02:30:41,439
also every time somebody like

3877
02:30:44,950 --> 02:30:44,319
us if i get asked to talk on some kind

3878
02:30:48,230 --> 02:30:44,960
of

3879
02:30:50,150 --> 02:30:48,240
what i'm going to call mainstream show

3880
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:50,160
and tell people where they can report

3881
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:51,600
this stuff

3882
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:54,000
suddenly we see a spike in the sightings

3883
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:55,840
now remember as a statistician i'm

3884
02:30:58,469 --> 02:30:57,600
always working in the past i'm always

3885
02:31:02,150 --> 02:30:58,479
looking at

3886
02:31:05,670 --> 02:31:02,160
last year or last month i don't track

3887
02:31:06,230 --> 02:31:05,680
present day stuff um but that's what we

3888
02:31:08,469 --> 02:31:06,240
see

3889
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:08,479
yeah i've often thought about uh you

3890
02:31:11,990 --> 02:31:10,240
know when peter

3891
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:12,000
davenport has come on this show or when

3892
02:31:15,510 --> 02:31:13,280
he goes on

3893
02:31:18,230 --> 02:31:15,520
uh coast to coast and and he does this

3894
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:18,240
thing are we seeing a spike then

3895
02:31:23,349 --> 02:31:20,720
right because peter is on people's minds

3896
02:31:26,389 --> 02:31:23,359
right the national ufo reporting center

3897
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:26,399
it's right there and and if somebody

3898
02:31:30,389 --> 02:31:28,080
sees something they're going to do but

3899
02:31:33,429 --> 02:31:30,399
they may not do it two days later

3900
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:33,439
right peter's not on their mind yes i i

3901
02:31:38,950 --> 02:31:36,960
i can talk to that as well i observed

3902
02:31:41,349 --> 02:31:38,960
when i was writing my column

3903
02:31:42,630 --> 02:31:41,359
that um in fact i got really good

3904
02:31:45,750 --> 02:31:42,640
evidence of it here in

3905
02:31:47,990 --> 02:31:45,760
in 2008 with in indiana okay

3906
02:31:49,510 --> 02:31:48,000
they had one day where they had 25

3907
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:49,520
sightings in one day this is a state

3908
02:31:52,870 --> 02:31:51,040
that has three sightings a week

3909
02:31:54,230 --> 02:31:52,880
right right right and these these

3910
02:31:56,389 --> 02:31:54,240
sightings were split

3911
02:31:58,710 --> 02:31:56,399
between two counties neighboring

3912
02:32:00,950 --> 02:31:58,720
counties of about 12 and 12

3913
02:32:02,790 --> 02:32:00,960
okay right right down and i was able to

3914
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:02,800
drill right down to the municipality but

3915
02:32:06,550 --> 02:32:04,720
something we also did i went out and

3916
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:06,560
looked at the newspaper reports for it

3917
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:08,640
and there was a lot of it on the web

3918
02:32:12,150 --> 02:32:11,040
what seems to happen is if there's a lot

3919
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:12,160
of reports like

3920
02:32:16,150 --> 02:32:14,720
today tomorrow morning's paper boom

3921
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:16,160
there was all these sightings here in

3922
02:32:20,950 --> 02:32:17,840
town oh wow you know

3923
02:32:23,110 --> 02:32:20,960
um people wake up and say oh

3924
02:32:25,030 --> 02:32:23,120
i can go out to the newfork place i can

3925
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:25,040
go out to mufon and do this

3926
02:32:28,230 --> 02:32:27,520
and do they report what was just talked

3927
02:32:32,630 --> 02:32:28,240
about

3928
02:32:34,550 --> 02:32:32,640
no i had this sighting four months ago

3929
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:34,560
and so that's when you start seeing the

3930
02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:37,359
retro postings

3931
02:32:41,030 --> 02:32:39,200
that makes a lot of sense you can see

3932
02:32:42,950 --> 02:32:41,040
that very clearly if you're looking at

3933
02:32:45,349 --> 02:32:42,960
national ufo reporting center

3934
02:32:46,070 --> 02:32:45,359
if you look at the posting date versus

3935
02:32:49,270 --> 02:32:46,080
the actual

3936
02:32:49,990 --> 02:32:49,280
sighting date um it's very different

3937
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:50,000
sometimes

3938
02:32:55,110 --> 02:32:51,840
yeah you find out that peter was on

3939
02:32:57,670 --> 02:32:55,120
coast to coast on friday

3940
02:32:59,349 --> 02:32:57,680
yeah right exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah

3941
02:33:03,510 --> 02:32:59,359
that makes a lot of sense

3942
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:03,520
but the jump uh between

3943
02:33:09,590 --> 02:33:07,120
2000 and 2001 is

3944
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:09,600
uh three-fold four-fold where you're you

3945
02:33:12,309 --> 02:33:10,560
know you go from

3946
02:33:15,349 --> 02:33:12,319
yeah yeah it is a couple of hundred

3947
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:15,359
sightings to in the thousands

3948
02:33:19,510 --> 02:33:18,000
right that that's a pretty big jump that

3949
02:33:19,990 --> 02:33:19,520
is a very big jump and that's always

3950
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:20,000
that's always

3951
02:33:25,349 --> 02:33:22,560
troubled me because even 2 000 was only

3952
02:33:26,389 --> 02:33:25,359
like 500 and yep suddenly we got 4 500

3953
02:33:29,190 --> 02:33:26,399
or something like that

3954
02:33:31,030 --> 02:33:29,200
there for 2001 but something special

3955
02:33:33,590 --> 02:33:31,040
with 2001.

3956
02:33:35,670 --> 02:33:33,600
we were told oh you know don't tell

3957
02:33:36,550 --> 02:33:35,680
anybody you saw that thing they'll think

3958
02:33:38,150 --> 02:33:36,560
you're crazy

3959
02:33:40,309 --> 02:33:38,160
families were telling people don't tell

3960
02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:40,319
anybody about this stuff you know

3961
02:33:46,830 --> 02:33:43,920
um but in 2001 we had 9 11 happened

3962
02:33:48,389 --> 02:33:46,840
suddenly they said report what you see

3963
02:33:53,469 --> 02:33:48,399
oh

3964
02:33:57,830 --> 02:33:56,790
right september 2001. yeah everybody's

3965
02:34:00,230 --> 02:33:57,840
looking into the sky

3966
02:34:02,230 --> 02:34:00,240
and i told and and when i was writing my

3967
02:34:04,389 --> 02:34:02,240
column

3968
02:34:06,070 --> 02:34:04,399
i had tens of thousands of people

3969
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:06,080
reading my column every week

3970
02:34:09,990 --> 02:34:08,080
and there was a banner at the bottom of

3971
02:34:11,830 --> 02:34:10,000
every one of my columns that said if you

3972
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:11,840
have a sighting that you want to report

3973
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:14,160
even if it's in the past

3974
02:34:17,670 --> 02:34:17,120
new fork and mufon you know newfork.org

3975
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:17,680
and

3976
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:20,720
mufon.com respect privacy you may

3977
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:23,120
file your report anonymous if you wish

3978
02:34:25,990 --> 02:34:23,840
but

3979
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:26,000
please file your report and i i had it

3980
02:34:30,469 --> 02:34:26,960
in there for set

3981
02:34:33,190 --> 02:34:30,479
ev every week for seven years now

3982
02:34:35,990 --> 02:34:33,200
uh before we move on to the next chart

3983
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:36,000
you bring up a really good point

3984
02:34:41,510 --> 02:34:39,280
and i am going to uh state something as

3985
02:34:45,670 --> 02:34:41,520
fact

3986
02:34:49,190 --> 02:34:45,680
i've only no no i've reported

3987
02:34:53,030 --> 02:34:49,200
zero okay zero

3988
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:53,040
and uh i called into mufon once but i

3989
02:34:57,670 --> 02:34:55,920
didn't do an official sighting report

3990
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:57,680
and i probably should have

3991
02:35:02,469 --> 02:35:00,800
and that was in 2008 um

3992
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:02,479
and i've i've discussed this sighting

3993
02:35:05,510 --> 02:35:04,000
many times i'm not going to go into the

3994
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:05,520
details of that now

3995
02:35:11,349 --> 02:35:08,960
but i've reported zero

3996
02:35:11,990 --> 02:35:11,359
zero and i've had hundreds of sightings

3997
02:35:15,670 --> 02:35:12,000
how many

3998
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:15,680
report

3999
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:17,840
okay i got a number on that okay for

4000
02:35:21,510 --> 02:35:19,600
years we could we couldn't reconcile the

4001
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:21,520
amount of reciting reports in the two

4002
02:35:24,309 --> 02:35:23,359
databases against what people said they

4003
02:35:28,710 --> 02:35:24,319
were seeing

4004
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:28,720
okay uh and then in 2007 july of 2017

4005
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:31,840
fox pictures uh was releasing a movie

4006
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:32,479
about the

4007
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:34,080
phoenix likes or something like that and

4008
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:35,439
it was kind of a horror movie with

4009
02:35:40,550 --> 02:35:37,120
abductions and everything

4010
02:35:43,429 --> 02:35:40,560
and um part of their their

4011
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:43,439
poll that they had conducted for them

4012
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:45,120
asked the typical questions and came

4013
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:46,240
back with the typical

4014
02:35:50,469 --> 02:35:49,840
35 believe in the stuff 45 42 to 45

4015
02:35:55,110 --> 02:35:50,479
percent

4016
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,120
think it's all hogwash okay

4017
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:57,520
but they ask an additional question they

4018
02:36:00,710 --> 02:35:58,640
had other questions but

4019
02:36:02,710 --> 02:36:00,720
one of the questions they asked was have

4020
02:36:06,469 --> 02:36:02,720
you seen a ufo

4021
02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:06,479
and a clear 16 over a little tad over 16

4022
02:36:11,750 --> 02:36:10,160
16 very clearly said they did i wasn't

4023
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:11,760
comfortable with the metric because it

4024
02:36:17,429 --> 02:36:13,680
was the only time it ever been said

4025
02:36:20,469 --> 02:36:17,439
then in september of 2019 the gallup

4026
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,479
poll people did a similar thing and they

4027
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:22,319
came up with that 16

4028
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:25,200
number so we took adult america i

4029
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,399
calculated adult americans which is 75

4030
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:31,120
of the population okay and i cranked it

4031
02:36:34,870 --> 02:36:32,560
back against that 16

4032
02:36:35,990 --> 02:36:34,880
and said basically 40 to about 42

4033
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:36,000
million people

4034
02:36:40,469 --> 02:36:38,240
say they've seen a ufo but i don't have

4035
02:36:42,790 --> 02:36:40,479
42 million reports in the thing

4036
02:36:43,830 --> 02:36:42,800
so we we did some gyrations played with

4037
02:36:47,230 --> 02:36:43,840
the numbers a bit

4038
02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:47,240
and we basically came up with one in 250

4039
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:48,560
255

4040
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,600
people reports what they see now the

4041
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:53,280
wisdom in the ufo community and you've

4042
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:54,800
been around a while you know as well as

4043
02:36:57,429 --> 02:36:55,359
i do

4044
02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:57,439
it used to be oh one in ten people

4045
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:58,479
report what they say

4046
02:37:01,590 --> 02:37:01,200
right no right no right then i got told

4047
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:01,600
oh well

4048
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:03,680
cheryl it's one in ten who see the

4049
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:06,319
reports seize them and then one in

4050
02:37:09,429 --> 02:37:08,560
10 of them reports what they see the

4051
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:09,439
numbers still

4052
02:37:12,710 --> 02:37:11,600
didn't add up that was ufo community

4053
02:37:15,030 --> 02:37:12,720
folk wisdom of

4054
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:15,040
you know joe blow hair cutter down here

4055
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:16,800
at the barber shop asks everybody that

4056
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:17,359
comes in

4057
02:37:22,150 --> 02:37:19,920
or so and so over here who does uh who's

4058
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:22,160
a dentist he asks everybody who comes in

4059
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:24,319
or stanton friedman used to stand up at

4060
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:25,920
his lectures and have him raise the

4061
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:28,240
hands and people count the percentages

4062
02:37:32,389 --> 02:37:30,399
but when we did it scientifically and

4063
02:37:34,389 --> 02:37:32,399
statistically it came up with one in

4064
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:34,399
about 250 and we've tried it several

4065
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:35,920
different ways and it keeps

4066
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:38,479
shaking in somewhere between uh one and

4067
02:37:41,590 --> 02:37:40,960
250 and one in 300 people report for

4068
02:37:43,429 --> 02:37:41,600
what they see

4069
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:43,439
keeps falling in that range now what

4070
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:44,640
about uh

4071
02:37:50,389 --> 02:37:48,000
another way to look at this now uh

4072
02:37:51,670 --> 02:37:50,399
for instance uh we all know about sky

4073
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:51,680
watches right

4074
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:55,600
so now i'm out with 150 of my friends

4075
02:37:58,710 --> 02:37:57,520
right and we all have this incredible

4076
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:58,720
sighting

4077
02:38:02,309 --> 02:38:01,280
that could be that could go one of two

4078
02:38:05,190 --> 02:38:02,319
ways

4079
02:38:06,230 --> 02:38:05,200
peter davenport gets 200 phone calls in

4080
02:38:08,070 --> 02:38:06,240
a night i

4081
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:08,080
like the like like the rocket launcher

4082
02:38:13,110 --> 02:38:10,240
yes right right

4083
02:38:15,110 --> 02:38:13,120
or we have a sensational sighting that

4084
02:38:18,389 --> 02:38:15,120
is the most incredible thing of all time

4085
02:38:21,990 --> 02:38:18,399
it's steven spielberg going above us

4086
02:38:23,590 --> 02:38:22,000
but it doesn't get reported at all right

4087
02:38:26,230 --> 02:38:23,600
that's happened at all let me give you

4088
02:38:28,309 --> 02:38:26,240
one that i got from my for my journalism

4089
02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:28,319
i had some people up in the adirondacks

4090
02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:29,680
camping in one of these really

4091
02:38:33,270 --> 02:38:31,840
isolated little lakes up there not not a

4092
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:33,280
popular lake it's not a place to go

4093
02:38:35,510 --> 02:38:34,960
water skiing it's one of these places

4094
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:35,520
you go

4095
02:38:40,309 --> 02:38:38,240
hunting or something and 10 people saw

4096
02:38:41,270 --> 02:38:40,319
this incredible ufo i mean this thing

4097
02:38:44,469 --> 02:38:41,280
came down

4098
02:38:47,830 --> 02:38:44,479
okay right all right five of them

4099
02:38:48,469 --> 02:38:47,840
clearly saw it for what it was three of

4100
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:48,479
them

4101
02:38:52,150 --> 02:38:51,120
saw some kind of cartoon representation

4102
02:38:54,790 --> 02:38:52,160
remember your

4103
02:38:55,510 --> 02:38:54,800
eyesight is processed by your brain sure

4104
02:38:58,710 --> 02:38:55,520
okay

4105
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:58,720
so they saw something and one of the or

4106
02:39:01,670 --> 02:39:00,240
one or two of the other people didn't

4107
02:39:02,950 --> 02:39:01,680
see a thing and they were looking right

4108
02:39:05,910 --> 02:39:02,960
at it

4109
02:39:08,070 --> 02:39:05,920
okay right and there's there's

4110
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:08,080
psychological processes out there

4111
02:39:11,830 --> 02:39:10,080
of this what they call the unexpected

4112
02:39:12,950 --> 02:39:11,840
syndrome where you can have a basketball

4113
02:39:14,630 --> 02:39:12,960
game going out here

4114
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:14,640
and a guy can run out during a peak of

4115
02:39:17,750 --> 02:39:16,319
the basketball game in a gorilla suit

4116
02:39:18,469 --> 02:39:17,760
and nobody sees it that's right that's

4117
02:39:21,670 --> 02:39:18,479
right so then

4118
02:39:24,950 --> 02:39:21,680
you've got three different

4119
02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:24,960
uh testimonies right same event

4120
02:39:29,110 --> 02:39:27,439
right yeah that would be classified

4121
02:39:33,590 --> 02:39:29,120
three different ways in the data

4122
02:39:38,309 --> 02:39:33,600
yeah uh my wife saw a saw a triangle ufo

4123
02:39:41,670 --> 02:39:38,319
going into a portal i didn't see it

4124
02:39:44,309 --> 02:39:41,680
i didn't see it she saw it okay uh in

4125
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:44,319
2012 this is before i wrote my column

4126
02:39:47,110 --> 02:39:46,000
actually this kind of helped spark me

4127
02:39:48,630 --> 02:39:47,120
start writing the column

4128
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:48,640
i was working for a newspaper i was in

4129
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:50,640
the technical department we made i made

4130
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:52,479
the plates every night and i had to stay

4131
02:39:55,990 --> 02:39:54,000
there till the run was done

4132
02:39:57,910 --> 02:39:56,000
so the run gets done about three o'clock

4133
02:40:01,510 --> 02:39:57,920
3 30 in the morning i come home

4134
02:40:03,270 --> 02:40:01,520
it was a june night gazillion stars and

4135
02:40:04,870 --> 02:40:03,280
sky and i had a kind of a little thing i

4136
02:40:05,429 --> 02:40:04,880
did every night when i parked the car in

4137
02:40:07,830 --> 02:40:05,439
the garage

4138
02:40:09,990 --> 02:40:07,840
closed the door i'd stand there in the

4139
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:10,000
driveway and look out at the

4140
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:12,080
north star in a big dipper okay just

4141
02:40:14,389 --> 02:40:13,359
kind of one of those connect with the

4142
02:40:16,710 --> 02:40:14,399
universe kind of things

4143
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:16,720
sure and i started hearing this humming

4144
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:18,240
sound

4145
02:40:23,190 --> 02:40:20,399
and all of a sudden i noticed the stars

4146
02:40:25,269 --> 02:40:23,200
were being blotted out above me

4147
02:40:27,030 --> 02:40:25,279
it was a triangle-shaped ufo it was over

4148
02:40:29,269 --> 02:40:27,040
a football field long and about two

4149
02:40:30,950 --> 02:40:29,279
maybe three stories deep

4150
02:40:33,030 --> 02:40:30,960
what did it sound like again what did it

4151
02:40:34,150 --> 02:40:33,040
sound like it had a humming sound do it

4152
02:40:37,830 --> 02:40:34,160
again pulsating

4153
02:40:41,349 --> 02:40:37,840
humming sound you do it so good

4154
02:40:43,429 --> 02:40:41,359
and uh and but i i sketched it out

4155
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:43,439
i didn't report it i was afraid to

4156
02:40:47,670 --> 02:40:45,200
report it okay

4157
02:40:49,590 --> 02:40:47,680
and then uh sometime later when i met

4158
02:40:49,910 --> 02:40:49,600
dave marlar my sketch matched up with

4159
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:49,920
the

4160
02:40:53,510 --> 02:40:52,160
classic picture that he has you know

4161
02:40:55,030 --> 02:40:53,520
with the three glowing things in the

4162
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:55,040
back the red light on the bottom and the

4163
02:40:59,190 --> 02:40:56,160
whole thing

4164
02:41:02,309 --> 02:40:59,200
i didn't report it about

4165
02:41:05,990 --> 02:41:02,319
a year later when i was doing my column

4166
02:41:08,469 --> 02:41:06,000
i was back around that same date a nurse

4167
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:08,479
coming off shift about 3 30 in the

4168
02:41:11,670 --> 02:41:09,520
morning

4169
02:41:13,190 --> 02:41:11,680
across town and one of the other hills

4170
02:41:16,230 --> 02:41:13,200
here in syracuse

4171
02:41:18,309 --> 02:41:16,240
saw it and reported it okay

4172
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:18,319
so there was corrupt for me there was

4173
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:19,760
there was corroboration because this

4174
02:41:22,870 --> 02:41:20,960
nurse reported it

4175
02:41:25,429 --> 02:41:22,880
yeah it's got to make you feel pretty

4176
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:25,439
good but the other part of this is

4177
02:41:32,150 --> 02:41:28,800
you know your habits so how much

4178
02:41:33,910 --> 02:41:32,160
really goes unreported right and you

4179
02:41:36,550 --> 02:41:33,920
should be reporting everything young

4180
02:41:39,110 --> 02:41:36,560
lady right this is your gig

4181
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:39,120
right i got yelled at by a lot of people

4182
02:41:43,269 --> 02:41:40,800
um i'm a larry

4183
02:41:43,990 --> 02:41:43,279
live action role play game person sure

4184
02:41:46,870 --> 02:41:44,000
okay

4185
02:41:48,870 --> 02:41:46,880
so uh we're down in this place down in

4186
02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:48,880
central pennsylvania someplace farming

4187
02:41:51,990 --> 02:41:50,000
community down there

4188
02:41:53,349 --> 02:41:52,000
what used to be an old dairy farm been

4189
02:41:56,070 --> 02:41:53,359
turned into a

4190
02:41:57,670 --> 02:41:56,080
fairy village for live-action role-play

4191
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:57,680
people with big rubber swords and

4192
02:42:01,510 --> 02:41:59,680
chase monsters through the woods you

4193
02:42:03,269 --> 02:42:01,520
know sure did that stuff for a long time

4194
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:03,279
well one night i wasn't feeling all that

4195
02:42:07,110 --> 02:42:05,760
great so i stayed at the tavern to guard

4196
02:42:09,750 --> 02:42:07,120
the tavern

4197
02:42:10,389 --> 02:42:09,760
with your with your rubber sword with my

4198
02:42:15,190 --> 02:42:10,399
big

4199
02:42:17,269 --> 02:42:15,200
so i'm sitting here and i've laid my

4200
02:42:19,510 --> 02:42:17,279
head back against the beam

4201
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:19,520
and i'm looking up at a very clear sky

4202
02:42:23,269 --> 02:42:20,960
and within about

4203
02:42:25,269 --> 02:42:23,279
again i'm a trained observer so i within

4204
02:42:26,790 --> 02:42:25,279
about 10 minutes i had the

4205
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:26,800
landing pattern for scranton

4206
02:42:31,269 --> 02:42:28,720
pennsylvania figured out

4207
02:42:33,670 --> 02:42:31,279
okay and then i had the higher higher

4208
02:42:35,830 --> 02:42:33,680
order pattern figured out for the region

4209
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:35,840
okay uh you know i knew what they looked

4210
02:42:39,110 --> 02:42:37,520
for and then there were those things

4211
02:42:41,830 --> 02:42:39,120
that were going

4212
02:42:44,469 --> 02:42:41,840
unlike anything you can describe i

4213
02:42:45,429 --> 02:42:44,479
counted some 40 of them in 45 minutes

4214
02:42:49,269 --> 02:42:45,439
you know it was

4215
02:42:52,040 --> 02:42:49,279
there for like an hour and a half

4216
02:42:53,670 --> 02:42:52,050
and um i reported too

4217
02:42:55,910 --> 02:42:53,680
[Laughter]

4218
02:42:57,349 --> 02:42:55,920
who did you report to uh by the way

4219
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:57,359
who's your first

4220
02:43:00,469 --> 02:42:59,439
i did it to uh national ufo reporting

4221
02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:00,479
you do with peter

4222
02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:03,520
okay um uh i'm looking at the clock

4223
02:43:07,349 --> 02:43:05,520
we've only got a few short minutes left

4224
02:43:08,870 --> 02:43:07,359
do what you gotta do let's uh let's go

4225
02:43:12,469 --> 02:43:08,880
to the uh the next

4226
02:43:16,630 --> 02:43:12,479
chart in order um because

4227
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:16,640
this one is not a repeat

4228
02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:20,160
of uh but it's similar to

4229
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:22,800
uh the first chart and this one is we

4230
02:43:26,150 --> 02:43:24,399
did it on purpose because we were

4231
02:43:26,469 --> 02:43:26,160
explaining something else and we wanted

4232
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:26,479
to

4233
02:43:29,830 --> 02:43:27,760
make sure the chart was in front of

4234
02:43:33,590 --> 02:43:29,840
people when they saw it okay and

4235
02:43:37,670 --> 02:43:33,600
uh so let me go there was the other

4236
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:40,790
influencers ah how do we how did we get

4237
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:42,000
to the end of the show

4238
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:44,800
and didn't go there you know what i'm

4239
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:45,520
i'm putting this

4240
02:43:49,349 --> 02:43:48,000
on real quick i'm gonna put this on you

4241
02:43:52,389 --> 02:43:49,359
it's your fault

4242
02:43:53,429 --> 02:43:52,399
yeah i know okay influencers proximity's

4243
02:43:55,030 --> 02:43:53,439
the large body

4244
02:43:57,269 --> 02:43:55,040
bodies of water a lot of people know

4245
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:57,279
that but my colleague

4246
02:44:01,990 --> 02:43:59,120
tom conwell up in troy new york

4247
02:44:04,389 --> 02:44:02,000
discovered using my data

4248
02:44:06,230 --> 02:44:04,399
proximity to toxic ecosystems and

4249
02:44:06,630 --> 02:44:06,240
whenever we talk to experiencers they

4250
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:06,640
say

4251
02:44:10,309 --> 02:44:08,880
oh hey e.t told us to take care of our

4252
02:44:13,429 --> 02:44:10,319
planet they haunt

4253
02:44:15,429 --> 02:44:13,439
our our brownfields our dead coal mines

4254
02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:15,439
our dead fracking fields our dead oil

4255
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:17,600
fields our polluted rivers and polluted

4256
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:18,160
lakes

4257
02:44:22,309 --> 02:44:20,560
they haunt them regularly they're very

4258
02:44:23,349 --> 02:44:22,319
interested in how we're destroying our

4259
02:44:26,630 --> 02:44:23,359
ecosystem

4260
02:44:28,790 --> 02:44:26,640
i think that personally people say other

4261
02:44:30,469 --> 02:44:28,800
people other hosts have said why are

4262
02:44:31,030 --> 02:44:30,479
they coming now why are we getting the

4263
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:31,040
reveal

4264
02:44:36,070 --> 02:44:34,880
now i think etl et is laying it on the

4265
02:44:38,710 --> 02:44:36,080
government you guys

4266
02:44:40,710 --> 02:44:38,720
they're going to make it so hard for the

4267
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:40,720
government to deny them

4268
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:42,640
i think they're trying to get us to wake

4269
02:44:45,990 --> 02:44:45,439
up and or that or they've reached out to

4270
02:44:49,110 --> 02:44:46,000
the government

4271
02:44:51,510 --> 02:44:49,120
said you tell them or we will and you're

4272
02:44:52,790 --> 02:44:51,520
at a tipping point with your ecology

4273
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:52,800
i got a funny feeling that's what's

4274
02:44:55,190 --> 02:44:54,720
going on yeah that's a very interesting

4275
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:55,200
point

4276
02:44:58,950 --> 02:44:57,600
and i think that the proximity to large

4277
02:45:01,670 --> 02:44:58,960
bodies of water

4278
02:45:02,070 --> 02:45:01,680
makes a lot of sense and if you you know

4279
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:02,080
put

4280
02:45:09,349 --> 02:45:05,760
this together you can

4281
02:45:12,309 --> 02:45:09,359
clearly see that but the toxic

4282
02:45:13,670 --> 02:45:12,319
one of those yeah people say to me well

4283
02:45:15,190 --> 02:45:13,680
texas

4284
02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:15,200
it's got more population in florida

4285
02:45:17,670 --> 02:45:17,200
again they need jerk on population but i

4286
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:17,680
said

4287
02:45:22,870 --> 02:45:20,800
florida has three times the coastal

4288
02:45:25,110 --> 02:45:22,880
space that's right and the same thing

4289
02:45:27,429 --> 02:45:25,120
population same thing in california

4290
02:45:28,389 --> 02:45:27,439
oregon washington you know right down

4291
02:45:33,030 --> 02:45:28,399
the coast

4292
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:33,040
but the toxic ecosystems part

4293
02:45:37,110 --> 02:45:35,920
that's new that's a modern part of

4294
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,120
technology

4295
02:45:40,830 --> 02:45:39,840
and in the historical timeline we didn't

4296
02:45:44,870 --> 02:45:40,840
have toxic

4297
02:45:47,269 --> 02:45:44,880
ecosystems in in the year 500

4298
02:45:49,510 --> 02:45:47,279
in the year 2000 right but the other the

4299
02:45:50,389 --> 02:45:49,520
other one was proximity the geological

4300
02:45:52,389 --> 02:45:50,399
faults and tom

4301
02:45:53,910 --> 02:45:52,399
found out that they seem to be really

4302
02:45:56,550 --> 02:45:53,920
following our series faults

4303
02:45:58,070 --> 02:45:56,560
especially like out in missouri get the

4304
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:58,080
meridian fault out there

4305
02:46:01,510 --> 02:45:59,840
that type of thing they really seem to

4306
02:46:03,510 --> 02:46:01,520
look at that uh another

4307
02:46:05,190 --> 02:46:03,520
influencer is high visibility media

4308
02:46:07,190 --> 02:46:05,200
reports which is what we talked about

4309
02:46:08,870 --> 02:46:07,200
hey there's a big slug of sightings here

4310
02:46:10,309 --> 02:46:08,880
people decide well maybe i better tell

4311
02:46:12,150 --> 02:46:10,319
everybody about the thing i had last

4312
02:46:13,349 --> 02:46:12,160
year or last month or whatever

4313
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:13,359
and then there's this thing called the

4314
02:46:18,870 --> 02:46:15,520
generational effect which we see

4315
02:46:22,389 --> 02:46:18,880
with los angeles county and with phoenix

4316
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:22,399
grandpa told us about the battle of la

4317
02:46:26,389 --> 02:46:25,840
and then mom told us about these phoenix

4318
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:26,399
lights

4319
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:28,560
maybe if we look up regularly we'll see

4320
02:46:33,110 --> 02:46:30,240
something yeah that's very

4321
02:46:34,469 --> 02:46:33,120
interesting you'll see it now um in the

4322
02:46:37,590 --> 02:46:34,479
principal drivers

4323
02:46:38,070 --> 02:46:37,600
and again uh this uh the way that the

4324
02:46:40,550 --> 02:46:38,080
charts

4325
02:46:41,110 --> 02:46:40,560
lay out once you understand this a bit

4326
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:41,120
more

4327
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:43,120
and you look at you know the counties

4328
02:46:46,870 --> 02:46:44,720
and the cities it starts to make sense

4329
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:46,880
but with the principal drivers

4330
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:48,479
obviously the first thing is going to be

4331
02:46:50,710 --> 02:46:50,080
population if you don't have people

4332
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:50,720
living there

4333
02:46:53,910 --> 02:46:52,560
you're not going to have the sightings

4334
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:53,920
right i mean that's

4335
02:46:57,429 --> 02:46:56,880
that's an obvious statement yeah yeah

4336
02:47:00,630 --> 02:46:57,439
it's not the

4337
02:47:02,150 --> 02:47:00,640
try to put it all in california because

4338
02:47:04,230 --> 02:47:02,160
they got a big population

4339
02:47:06,309 --> 02:47:04,240
california crosses nine lines of

4340
02:47:09,510 --> 02:47:06,319
latitude has three different

4341
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:09,520
major environments going on okay uh

4342
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:11,120
and they got the population but they've

4343
02:47:15,190 --> 02:47:13,040
also got the leisure time issue

4344
02:47:16,870 --> 02:47:15,200
they got greater leisure time issues

4345
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:16,880
there's a lot of stuff going on there

4346
02:47:21,990 --> 02:47:19,120
i always tell people let california be

4347
02:47:24,150 --> 02:47:22,000
by itself it's an animal to its own self

4348
02:47:25,830 --> 02:47:24,160
uh if you start want to do comparisons

4349
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:25,840
on stuff let's start looking at similar

4350
02:47:30,389 --> 02:47:26,160
size

4351
02:47:31,590 --> 02:47:30,399
was on one radio show after the first

4352
02:47:33,429 --> 02:47:31,600
book came out

4353
02:47:35,110 --> 02:47:33,439
and i had the book laying in my lap and

4354
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:35,120
i hadn't really even looked at some of

4355
02:47:39,030 --> 02:47:36,080
my charts

4356
02:47:40,630 --> 02:47:39,040
okay and there was my census charts and

4357
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:40,640
i was looking at the census charts and i

4358
02:47:44,070 --> 02:47:42,640
noticed that every state that touched

4359
02:47:46,550 --> 02:47:44,080
one of the great lakes had

4360
02:47:48,389 --> 02:47:46,560
sightings in the many thousands moved

4361
02:47:49,670 --> 02:47:48,399
two states away it was in the low

4362
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:49,680
hundreds

4363
02:47:53,030 --> 02:47:51,680
and that's what got us looking at this

4364
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:53,040
idea of

4365
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:56,000
rural areas like a broadband and i

4366
02:48:00,150 --> 02:47:58,160
started tracking that back against

4367
02:48:02,070 --> 02:48:00,160
industry issues about where broadband is

4368
02:48:03,429 --> 02:48:02,080
where it is and and where it is like

4369
02:48:04,070 --> 02:48:03,439
here in new york state and where it

4370
02:48:06,630 --> 02:48:04,080
isn't

4371
02:48:08,469 --> 02:48:06,640
and um access to broadband is a major a

4372
02:48:11,590 --> 02:48:08,479
major issue a major driver

4373
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:11,600
now uh i've only got uh uh 30 seconds

4374
02:48:15,670 --> 02:48:12,399
left

4375
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:15,680
but you um you are you speaking

4376
02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:17,920
people need to hear this they need to

4377
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:18,960
see the represent

4378
02:48:22,309 --> 02:48:20,880
are you going to be speaking in the next

4379
02:48:23,590 --> 02:48:22,319
year are you going to get out uh now

4380
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:23,600
that conferences are back

4381
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:26,720
i'm i'm on i i i'm recording another

4382
02:48:29,750 --> 02:48:27,520
presentation

4383
02:48:30,950 --> 02:48:29,760
for contacting desert tomorrow right

4384
02:48:32,070 --> 02:48:30,960
it's getting there they're going to be

4385
02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:32,080
like next week

4386
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:35,120
okay um and then uh

4387
02:48:40,790 --> 02:48:38,240
i might be at pine bush

4388
02:48:42,469 --> 02:48:40,800
okay september remember we're still on

4389
02:48:44,630 --> 02:48:42,479
the tail end of the cove at lockdown

4390
02:48:45,670 --> 02:48:44,640
yes we are uh and then i'm hoping for

4391
02:48:48,790 --> 02:48:45,680
some bookings in

4392
02:48:50,550 --> 02:48:48,800
2020 anybody wants me i'm available uh

4393
02:48:51,110 --> 02:48:50,560
and i've got the best stuff going here

4394
02:48:53,269 --> 02:48:51,120
as far

4395
02:48:54,309 --> 02:48:53,279
and statistics aren't boring if you

4396
02:48:56,150 --> 02:48:54,319
listen to this show

4397
02:48:58,070 --> 02:48:56,160
there's interesting stuff here and i've

4398
02:49:00,550 --> 02:48:58,080
got great slides to show you

4399
02:49:01,269 --> 02:49:00,560
i've got a map of every county in the

4400
02:49:03,830 --> 02:49:01,279
country

4401
02:49:04,550 --> 02:49:03,840
that that's had this one shape i've got

4402
02:49:07,030 --> 02:49:04,560
maps that

4403
02:49:08,309 --> 02:49:07,040
do it by i do maps for some states by

4404
02:49:10,150 --> 02:49:08,319
zip code

4405
02:49:11,510 --> 02:49:10,160
i just wanna i'm gonna i'm gonna bring

4406
02:49:13,670 --> 02:49:11,520
you to a conference

4407
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:13,680
so you linda and i can just sit at

4408
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:15,520
dinner and yap

4409
02:49:19,590 --> 02:49:18,240
that's all i wanna do let's go do it

4410
02:49:21,590 --> 02:49:19,600
cheryl thank you so much

4411
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:21,600
what a great show tonight i look forward

4412
02:49:25,910 --> 02:49:23,040
to the next time that we

4413
02:49:27,830 --> 02:49:25,920
uh anytime have the we we just scratched

4414
02:49:28,550 --> 02:49:27,840
the surface tonight but uh thank you so

4415
02:49:30,389 --> 02:49:28,560
much

4416
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:30,399
go and enjoy the rest of your evening

4417
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:31,920
thank you so much

4418
02:49:35,030 --> 02:49:34,399
okay bye-bye cheryl cheryl costa the

4419
02:49:37,830 --> 02:49:35,040
very best

4420
02:49:40,070 --> 02:49:37,840
now all of the links for cheryl's work

4421
02:49:42,309 --> 02:49:40,080
are over at jimmychurchradio.com

4422
02:49:44,950 --> 02:49:42,319
we just went bumper to bumper pulled a

4423
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:44,960
poll i've got to get straight to credits

4424
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:47,520
let's get that out of the way fade to

4425
02:49:51,670 --> 02:49:48,720
black

4426
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:51,680
oh man where am i at i don't even know

4427
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where i am anymore

4428
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when i go over data i am just happy

4429
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i am happy okay now uh

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fade to black is produced by i've lost

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i've lost everything faded black's

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produced by hill j palm renee dennis and

4434
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4435
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4436
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4437
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4438
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game changer network and syndication is

4441
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the planet it's broadcast owned and

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they cannot be re-broadcast downloaded

4446
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:31,600
copied or used anywhere in the known

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4448
02:50:35,269 --> 02:50:33,840
without written permission from fade to

4449
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black of the game changer network i'm

4450
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your host jimmy church

4451
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tomorrow night right here ronnie dawson

4452
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very special thanks to

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cheryl costa until tomorrow night i want

4454
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everybody to be safe

4455
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it's time to fade to black